Smoke N Grow nutes versus Jack's Professional

bigman4270

bigman4270

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Love that mouth harp!
 
kingofqueen

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Hey RM3 I've noticed this for awile but haven't asked but are you not flowering in 5g anymore ? I didn't miss something did I ?
 
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Yeah Right

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Good morning, thought I'd throw is in here for you. Mt grow journal should show in my signature. It's just not fancy looking yet.

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riddleme

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kingofqueen said:
Hey RM3 I've noticed this for awile but haven't asked but are you not flowering in 5g anymore ? I didn't miss something did I ?
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No, I'm useing 2 gallon pots now, the 5 gallons were just for growing trees in the Balls grow wanted to show how rain makes trees but that is not my normal way, I prefer 2 to 3 foot plants
 
kingofqueen

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Cool ! I was determining that with my plant height and I'm going to limit the girth , that I could drop my pot size . With my setup I end up with about 2-2.5ft plants . I did notice even with Medibud that she didnt use up all the soil space . I'm going to back it down to 3g and see how that works out plus it gives the plants more elbow room :)
 
embry928

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i have always used 5 gal homer buckets and get a giant root ball top to bottom. The roots used to stop at the rocks on the bottom but now i use clay balls at the bottom and the roots go all the way down and can easly drink from the drip trays. maybe i should go smaller i thought rm3 used 5 gals too. you got me again rm3 now i want to go run out and buy new pots for my next round i am thinking 3 gal. thanks for bringing that up kingofqueen i missed that completely. ps i go from clone to the 5 gal bucket i think that is the reason the root ball gets so big
 
embry928

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got a question for you rm3 can you expand a little on the way you top your last plant during vegg to get a better yield. was it the hedge row you did it to?
 
riddleme

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embry928 said:
got a question for you rm3 can you expand a little on the way you top your last plant during vegg to get a better yield. was it the hedge row you did it to?
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Wasn't topped, was defoiled, at 5 nodes (from seed) I removed all but the top 2 leaves, this resulted in the plant replacing the leves with branches, at 10 nodes I did i again, only drawback was an extra 2 weeks of veg to make new leaves
 
embry928

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sorry man but what plant did you do it to i want to go back and try to fallow her life from the start of the tread.
riddleme said:
Wasn't topped, was defoiled, at 5 nodes (from seed) I removed all but the top 2 leaves, this resulted in the plant replacing the leves with branches, at 10 nodes I did i again, only drawback was an extra 2 weeks of veg to make new leaves
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riddleme

riddleme

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embry928 said:
sorry man but what plant did you do it to i want to go back and try to fallow her life from the start of the tread.
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the hedgerow, 3 remaining STP's (pics tomorrow) I did not document it basically just did it to em to see what would happen after reading a thread on the technique at another forum
 
riddleme

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First I want to thank everyone that came to the party last nite :bigjoint:

if you didn't get an invitation (check your pm inbox) you can pm me with Where's Waldo in the subject LOL

The hedge row is all alone in the garden now and lovin it, the buds have doubled in size and all is going well as we coast to the finish line

yeah only one pic (the others are at the party)
 

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riddleme

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Well I didn't get no pm's so I guess everyone is at the party and yeah it's still going strong, damn stoners :hump:
 
gumball

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riddleme said:
I have to apologize to all of you as I have been holding back a lot of my research and ditty's with the notion that I would publish them at the new site, well as some of you know the new site is not developing as planned but this has not stopped my experiments or research but still I am holding back for now, some things to look forward to will be dittys ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hermies are your friends

Are you a pot snob?

and effects of dew on plants

These I'll wait on for awhile but there is one I'm working on that I can't do the experiments on cause my garden is not suitable for it :) so I need to shout out to some of you and my thoughts lean to Bonzi who we all know is very good at helping folks with ventalation issues and calculating fan cfm as they apply to sealed gardens and Daniels who is just a great diy experimentor :) but all are welcome to explore my notion

This all started from me trying to understand what a major difference is in garden conditions and how it affects plant vigor, I think I have it figured out :) I have 2 friends that I talk with a lot both have sealed gardens with controled ventalation and odor control, one of them has air cooled 1000 watt HPS and grows hydro, the other has a 400 watt CMH that is open. My garden is open (not sealed) I have no odor so I have no odor control and my lights are not sealed or cooled and that is the only difference between mine and my friends garden, he uses the same medium, and same nutes (I had a 25lb bag so I shared) has the CMH so same light, lives in the same area (generally) so similar ambient conditions and similar tap water, he makes it rain and does things very similar to me BUT his buds are never as big as mine (not even half as big) and his yields are also much lower than mine, I should add that yes we grow the same strains as well and we trade them back and forth he was where the GDP (aunt martha) came from, when he saw it in my garden it pissed him off as he asked why don't mine grow like that? I'm doing everything that you do? My response at the time was only difference is my garden is open and yours is sealed???

Both myself and Uncle Ben have said that an open garden is better for the plants, that proper spacing between the plants is also important. At some point we that grow for medical have to get rid of the blackmarket thinking and techniques in order to maximize the medical properties of the plant. I have said over and over that happy plants don't stink and if conditions are right there is no need for odor control, if your plants are stinkin than there is a condition that is off and causing stress (note this is not always true because some strains have been bred to stink, I don't grow these strains as smell has nothing to do with medical benefits) (also has nothing to do with the percieved high or how it affects us, rather it is a human perception thing as we are attracted to smells & taste and we associate these experiences in our view of things) but I digress as this is more related to the pot snob ditty :)

The answer is Barometric Pressure and the beauty of this is there is a lot of research on it because of NASA trying to figure out how to grow plants in space, they are actually genetically altering the plants to grow smaller (very interesting) For those of you interested in experimenting with this it is not complicated and only requires the purchase of 2 barometers one to put in your garden and one outside your garden so you can see and adjust the effects of sealed ventilation on the BP, you can also play with finding the optimum BP for best growth conditions and yes it does affect growth and vigor :)

Here is the research,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I'm including this link cause I found the fact that this super exspensive grow chamber uses incandesent lights very interesting :)
http://greenhouse.ucsc.edu/equipment.html

http://www.tomatosphere.org/teacher-resources/biological-life-support-systems.cfm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12583399

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/faculty/davies/research/morganfood.html

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/25feb_greenhouses/

http://books.google.com/books?id=xsobnlXZBwQC&pg=PA1173&lpg=PA1173&dq=wue+plants&source=bl&ots=xbf1BV9OyK&sig=58Afm9iOTj6cjjsPt5rk6LTpWCc&hl=en&ei=DjK0Te-uCqHliALT3PWvBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=wue plants&f=false

http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/86/1/19.full.pdf

http://www.usu.edu/cpl/PDF/HoustonNASAtalk.pdf

http://www.usu.edu/cpl/PDF/TrackingTranspiration_Electronic Scales090406.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?id=3wMBwxGIqDIC&pg=PA425&lpg=PA425&dq=effects+of+barometric+pressure+on+plants&source=bl&ots=52aIJY9YQ0&sig=vv0qANAEpJqzhzAWjXAs_HHebeA&hl=en&ei=eyu0Tci3IoPTiAKHu7mvBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=effects of barometric pressure on plants&f=false

http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/94/2/199.full

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-472C88F-FG&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1992&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1728938063&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3b342eec2303bf511c12efa65fe176ad&searchtype=a

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V3S-4019JXF-K2&_user=10&_coverDate=12/31/1996&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_origin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1728937694&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e1e0afe17e02c7a1d4185432c9edf5e1&searchtype=a

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12481804

Hopefully this will lead to those with sealed gardens getting better yields and happier plants, if you play with this please let us know the results???
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I found this link and felt the need to share it for those that may want to tinker with your ditty :D May could use jars as small as baby jars

http://www.ciese.org/curriculum/weatherproj2/en/docs/barometer.shtml
 
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