Silky T's PPP and AK-48 Grow Journal

Silky T

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In re: For an organic nutrient tea: you have blood and bone right? get some warm water, add a few tablespoons of that and shake it up a few times over an afternoon, then strain it with a tea strainer and, dilute it for your plants. that will boost the nitrogen, calcium and phosphorous. How much water? Does it matter? Don't forget my compost recipe. I know there's no tried and true but a ballpark would work>Thanks!
That tea recipe you gave me is killer! Even tho I didn't get an exact amount of water to mix with the "few tablespoons of that" it worked and they loved it! I gave it to all of them--the girls and the babies. I can't call them babies anymore because on their first night outside, I watered them with the tea and the next morning they were reaching for the sun and have doubled in size in just a few days!! :weed::hump: I don't know if it's because they are getting direct sun or what but they are getting really tall, however, not that stocky like the ones inside. I wish I would have fimmed them before I put them outside so they would fatten up. I'll take pics tomorrow and show you what I'm talking about. I may be able to start fimming now, although they won't have any leaves near the bottom like my girls, they have leaves all the way down! Weird.:?:bongsmilie:peace:
 

Silky T

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The girls at 5 weeks. The photos sure don't do them justice. They are actually full and fat. They're "spikey" because they just got fed. They always reach for the sun after meals.

About flowering and my frustration: I just read, "Look for 2 white hairs emerging from a small bulbous area at every internode" Well, I have two something or others at bulbous areas at every internode, but they look green. But I know they're not new leaves coming out because they're in the wrong place. They are on the opposite side of where the new growth is coming in. So that must be hairs, huh? They've been in flower for 12 days. It's time. They have grown 4-5 inches in this time.
 

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Silky T

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be patient. make sure the dark period is absolutely dark. And don't mess with the light cycle timing at all (12 on, 12 dark). Some people do 11 on 13 off to give them the signal sooner, especially for sativa heavy strains but I don't do this.

They will put out soon enough, mine took 8 days of 12/12 after 5 weeks veg. FIM/topping will make the plant take longer to respond to the flowering signal.
The only thing that I'm a little worried about, is that you are manually 'boxing' them up to make it night time - if you are late or forget they're gonna get confused!

Get a magnifier to look for the pre flowers at the angles where the growth tips' stems meet the main stalk

LST
you are right, LST is for getting the lower growth tips and leaves into the light to help them develop.
However, my understanding of the mechanism by which LST works is slightly different to what you think;
the highest growth tip in nature would get the best sunlight, the plant senses this and directs its energy to it, so by bending them over, the ideal is to get all the growth tips on the same horizontal plane so they are all equally at the top of the plant and the plant treats them as equally dominant > more colas that develop weight worth harvesting.
the training works by distributing the dominance by altering height
The important thing to note here is that a fan leaf shading a growth tip is not the end of the world. I like to keep the fan leaves on so they can do their job of making energy for the rest of the plant to use.
Blood and bone tea
you can do it with any volume of water, say a tablespoon b&b to a gallon water. Its not an exact science. Most of the nutrients will not dissolve, and you will have heaps of stinky sludge leftover - chuck it on your compost pile.

On that note, how big is your compost pile? for it to cook off effectively you need to make it at least 1/2 to 1m3 (or 3-4' wide/long and a few feet high). Your ingredients sound good so far. Make sure its moist but not soggy, and twice a week turn it upside down and move the centre of the pile to the edges. Keep it up for the next 6 weeks and you'll be there!


No no no no! I have a sinking feeling that you are driving around the countryside looking for a farm that raises foxes??? :P:confused::oops: We don't have 'Foxfarm' in Australia, but its a a brand of potting dirt.

PS: i love your signature ;) the quote isn't mine, its chris's. and sharing a signature tag line makes it look like we are part of a gang, a very philosophical and cynical internet gang.
Silly!
 

neonknight420

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Regarding your question from the other thread, yes I have grown both synthetic and organic. I first started growing back in '81 so I've grown all different kinds of ways. Organics is by far superior to any other method and if anyone says that synthetic is just as good then they haven't truly smoked 100% living organics. The aroma and flavor is on a different level, now when I say that I mean properly grown organic herb. I don't consider bottled organic nutes to be what I'm referring to. What I'm referring to is plants grown in a true living soil, feed by the microbes in the soil. There is nothing wrong with organic bottled nutes if that's your thing, you will just get a much more quality product growing in a living soil than bottles. It definitely has a learning curve and I think that turns some people off, but once you pull off your first true organic grow you will never look back. Peace. P.S. I'm in your neck of the woods today. Lol!
 
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neonknight420

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To get a better understanding of what I'm talking about go on Amazon and buy the book ( True Living Organics) by the Rev. It will give you a better understanding of the whole organic world. It will be worth every penny if you are really serious about growing organic. Peace.
 

Silky T

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HELP! What am I going to do with this? I went to a Fox Farm store today and bought some goodies. Then I bought a light, which he said I needed more oranges and reds in the flower period. So he sold me the attached light bulb. I've gone to Ace Hardware, Home Depot and a local hardward store and NOBODY has the attachment that I screw it into. I thought I could get an adapter but noooooo. Now I'm stuck with this light, which I'm dying to put on th plants, but can't find a fitting to screw it into. HELP!

No matter what I do to the pic on my hard drive, it still shows sideways on RIU. Sorry. Is this what I need for flower? It seems awfully big for 4 plants, I mean, it's heavy as hell and I think it's just too much.
 

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Chester da Horse

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hey silky, that is probably an e39 socket (edison type)

If you go back to the growshop they should be able to help you, the best choice is to get a cheap batwing reflector with socket built together. perfect for that CFL and relatively cheap.
 
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Silky T

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hey silky, that is probably an e39 socket (edison type)

If you go back to the growshop they should be able to help you, the best choice is to get a cheap batwing reflector with socket built together. perfect for that CFL and relatively cheap.
batwing reflector? You ought to see this thing out of the box - it's huge! and heavy. The guy at the hydro store told me it would fit in my porcelain fitting that I was already using, but NOT. Do I have to go back to that store instead of some hardware store? That store is about 26 miles from me. The guy at Home Depot said that "we don't make these anymore, we just use the standard bulbs now." So, this is some kind of old setup?
I was just looking around, is this what I need?
SOCKET ADAPTER FROM E39 (MOGUL) TO E26 (MEDIUM)
 
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Chester da Horse

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batwing reflector? You ought to see this thing out of the box - it's huge! and heavy. The guy at the hydro store told me it would fit in my porcelain fitting that I was already using, but NOT. Do I have to go back to that store instead of some hardware store? That store is about 26 miles from me. The guy at Home Depot said that "we don't make these anymore, we just use the standard bulbs now." So, this is some kind of old setup?
I was just looking around, is this what I need?
SOCKET ADAPTER FROM E39 (MOGUL) TO E26 (MEDIUM)
doneski that adapter will sort you out

the larger screw is older, but still used on higher wattage lamps as it has more electrical contact area.
 

Silky T

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doneski that adapter will sort you out

the larger screw is older, but still used on higher wattage lamps as it has more electrical contact area.
Huh? "doneski that adapter will sort you out" This thing is like a foot long and heavy as hell, do I need all this for 4 plants? I think he probably thought I had a normal grow.
 

Chester da Horse

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Huh? "doneski that adapter will sort you out" This thing is like a foot long and heavy as hell, do I need all this for 4 plants? I think he probably thought I had a normal grow.
yep

you really really need more light. take his advice and get that ginormous tube light in there. or go back to your roots and use sunshine (direct, not thru windows) somehow.

they really want more light. they won't shine for you if you don't satisfy their need for it.

EDIT: dont replace your current light, add this one as well. harder better closer stronger more

The next step up (u know this already tho) is LED (small space, comparatively low power usage, no need for extra ventilation so fewer fans and noise) or HID (bigger space, cheaper entry price, proven results)
 
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Silky T

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yep

you really really need more light. take his advice and get that ginormous tube light in there. or go back to your roots and use sunshine (direct, not thru windows) somehow.

they really want more light. they won't shine for you if you don't satisfy their need for it.

The next step up (u know this already tho) is LED (small space, comparatively low power usage, no need for extra ventilation so fewer fans and noise) or HID (bigger space, cheaper entry price, proven results)
I was reading something today on one of the forums that said plants in flower need more blue light. But the guy at the hydro store said when you're in flower, you need more of the reds and oranges. What's up with that?
 

Mr.Head

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Plants will grow under lots of different light spectrums. That said blue seems to up trichome and terpene production, my first CFL grows were some of the stinkiest grows I've done to date. Hoping the switch to 4k LED's brings it back.
 

neonknight420

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I prefer to flower under more blue light vs too much red. I currently been using a HPS but it has 30% more blue spectrum and the resin and terpenes are much more pronounced. When this bulb needs replacement I'm gonna
just veg and flower under a metal halide blue bulb 6500k. Those large cfl bulbs work great for veg but if you want to take it the next level you should have saved your money and got a HID. Those large CFL bulbs aren't cheap either, for a few dollars more you could have bought a HID economy set-up 400watt. You can get good results under CFL but it's definitely not going to be what your lookin for all your hard work, money and time.
 

Silky T

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I prefer to flower under more blue light vs too much red. I currently been using a HPS but it has 30% more blue spectrum and the resin and terpenes are much more pronounced. When this bulb needs replacement I'm gonna
just veg and flower under a metal halide blue bulb 6500k. Those large cfl bulbs work great for veg but if you want to take it the next level you should have saved your money and got a HID. Those large CFL bulbs aren't cheap either, for a few dollars more you could have bought a HID economy set-up 400watt. You can get good results under CFL but it's definitely not going to be what your lookin for all your hard work, money and time.
I wound up with a 125 watt CFL bulb. It says "Full Spectrum Warm 2700K. What is the 2700k? I was thinking it was the lumens but it would have said that. Yea, it was expensive. I wound up spending $130 on a few ferts, the bulb and the socket with cord that had to be switched out. Now I have that thick black cord running up the side of the wall and on a hook near the ceiling to hold it in place because I am still growing out of a box and it wouldn't have held it. Then I put my other rather large CFL bulb hanging down near bottom of the plants, about 7" off the bottom. They are now getting all that light inside a box no bigger than 18" x 18" x 4' tall. I have 4 plants in there. I don't have the setup for a metal halide. I hooked all that up yesterday, however, they have been getting the new nutes since Saturday and I don't see any immediate like or dislike from them.
They stayed outside yesterday because it was 85 degrees and sunny, while I was at the hydro store getting the socket assembly and they seem to have taken it well. My outside plants that have hardened up, however, seem to have used up all their water in just one day and were drooping. I watered them last night and moved them to a dark spot on the side of the house. My house has lights all around it to keep it lit because there are only 4 women here. It's hard to find a spot where there's no light, even ambient light. They looked good this morning, perked back up. I gave them a little ph'd water and set them in the sun again. They are growing like crazy and some are taller than my girls inside. They've tripled in size in just a week or two.
 

Silky T

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I've got one plant outside labeled "freebie" and it's growing really nicely and don't even know what it is. I guess I'll never know. I'll just have to call it "personal" or cook it down to CBD. On second thought, I'd rather not make CBD out of an unknown strain because I don't won't know it's characteristics for meds. I would like to eventually give it to my CL husband that had the severe stroke to help with his dead brain cells. Comments?
 

Silky T

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Plants will grow under lots of different light spectrums. That said blue seems to up trichome and terpene production, my first CFL grows were some of the stinkiest grows I've done to date. Hoping the switch to 4k LED's brings it back.
It shows on the box that the light spectrum is the highest in the greens and peaks in the yellows. It does, however, have some blue light spectrum. It's 125 watt, 120 volt. He says that since he works there, he hears all kinds of theories but definitely the greens and yellows in flower. He also said that Canna was better than Fox Farm, but I went with Fox Farm anyway. I accidently doubled up on bat guano because one of the fert is made with worm casings and bat guano and I also bought some bat guano. I hope all that bat shit won't kill them.
 

neonknight420

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Growers will put a green light in the flowering room so if they need to go in during the dark period it has no effect on the plants. I don't know why he's telling you plants need a green spectrum to flower, it has zero effect on plants, this is why growers put a green bulb in the flowering room.
 
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