Silicon for your plants!

eDude

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So far, no negatives.

I wouldn't say everyone 'needs' it but if you have the problems that this helps with then this might be very useful.
 

Huel Perkins

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I might have to try going full strength with the silica on my next grow, we'll see if it helps the branches hold up the massive buds without the plants falling all over each other.
 

eDude

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I might have to try going full strength with the silica on my next grow, we'll see if it helps the branches hold up the massive buds without the plants falling all over each other.
Yup, if you DON'T have this problem then you might not need it. But let's all hope we all have this problem. :)
 

eDude

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A little more info:

Silicon is the second most abundant element in soils, the mineral substrate for most of the world's plant life. The soil water, or the "soil solution," contains silicon, mainly as silicic acid, H4SiO4, at 0.1-0.6 mM--concentrations on the order of those of potassium, calcium, and other major plant nutrients, and well in excess of those of phosphate. Silicon is readily absorbed so that terrestrial plants contain it in appreciable concentrations, ranging from a fraction of 1% of the dry matter to several percent, and in some plants to 10% or even higher. In spite of this prominence of silicon as a mineral constituent of plants, it is not counted among the elements defined as "essential," or nutrients, for any terrestrial higher plants except members of the Equisitaceae. For that reason it is not included in the formulation of any of the commonly used nutrient solutions. The plant physiologist's solution-cultured plants are thus anomalous, containing only what silicon is derived as a contaminant of their environment. Ample evidence is presented that silicon, when readily available to plants, plays a large role in their growth, mineral nutrition, mechanical strength, and resistance to fungal diseases, herbivory, and adverse chemical conditions of the medium. Plants grown in conventional nutrient solutions are thus to an extent experimental artifacts. Omission of silicon from solution cultures may lead to distorted results in experiments on inorganic plant nutrition, growth and development, and responses to environmental stress.
Studies in Plant Science | Chapter 7 | Effect of silicon on plant growth and crop yield
Integrated management of six macronutrients: nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), potassium (K), sulfur (S), calcium (Ca), and magnesium (Mg) as well as the seven micronutrients iron (Fe), manganese (Mn), zinc (Zn), boron (B), copper (Cu), molybdenum (Mo), and chloride (Cl) are the ones that most agronomists only consider as essential for sustainable crop yields. However, under special crop/soil agriculture conditions there are some “non-essential” elements, like silicon (Si) that will enhance crop yield by promoting several desirable plant physiological processes.
Due to the desilication process, Si in the soil is continuously lost as a result of leaching process. Subtropical and tropical soils are generally low in plant-available Si and would benefit from Si fertilization. Siliconcontent in some regions might be limited to sustainable crop production. The need for proper Si management to increase yield and sustain crop productivity appears to be necessary in temperate as well in tropical countries. In addition, Si diminution in the soil can occur in intensive cultivation practices and continuous monoculture of high-yielding cultivars. As a result, these soils are generally low in plant-available Si (Juo and Sanchez, 1986; Foy, 1992). Rice and sugarcane grown in rotation on organic and sandy soils have shown positive agronomic responses to pre-plant applications of calcium silicate slag (Anderson, 1991).
 

Leonardo de Garden

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Good for stress, disease resistance, and can help mitigate nutrient imbalances. Although common "in the wild", keep in mind that some hydroponic systems and soil replacements contain little without an additive, and others already have plenty. Another example where knowledge can give the edge over random guesses. It's pretty hard to overdose with though, so adding when you don't need it is a smaller error than not having any available to the plant.
 

eDude

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Apparently the AN silicon will not lower your pH like protek. That can be good or bad depending on what you are use to. Wonder what it is about Dyna-gro's protek that make it lower the pH..
 

eDude

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Silicon is similar to carbon in that it can make four bonds with another molecule or molecules. Scientists hypothesize that this allows silicon to take on an active role in plant
defense by mimicking bioactive molecules and thus activating or speeding up pathogen
defense responses. Though the exact mechanism is still unknown, it has been
demonstrated that silicon supplementation decreases black spot occurrence in nursery
grown shrub roses and reduces pythium occurrence in poinsettia. In addition silicon
supplementation slowed leaf miner activity in chrysanthemum and herbivory in other crops
such as wheat and rice.
While silicon may take an active role in plant defense responses, it has a better
understood passive role in improving tolerance of abiotic stresses such as drought. After
uptake by the plant, silicic acid forms solid amorphous, hydrated silica (silica gel) between
the cuticle and cell wall, and between the cell membrane and cell wall. These layers are
thought to act as physical barriers, something like silica armor, to evaporation and other
stresses. Both corn and rice when supplemented with silicon, show marked increases in
drought and heat tolerance compared to unamended plants.
Here is some more INFO: LOL

http://www.greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factsheets/silicon_poinsettia.pdf
 

OGEvilgenius

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Ground quartz etc. that's the stuff, it's where a lot of "normal" plants get it from. Liquid form is good for non glass hydroponics (like coir) though, so go with the highest % and lowest cost you can find.
I use Cannamax Potassium Silicate. I'm pretty sure I could use it to seal up my bathroom if I wanted to. It's like syrup. I think it's closer to 100% purity. The only downside is you realllllly need to mix it up well. I could see it clogging lines in a hydro setup if not done properly. Works great hand watering coco though.

Actually I did some research, couldn't find anything official but I guess it's closer to 50% according to a thread on icmag. The stuff seems ridiculously thick and it's actually somewhat difficult to cleanly measure out because of this, so I pondered getting something less concentrated for easier mixing.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Apparently the AN silicon will not lower your pH like protek. That can be good or bad depending on what you are use to. Wonder what it is about Dyna-gro's protek that make it lower the pH..
It's generally strong pH up. I usually add mine first because it sends my pH through the ceiling otherwise which isn't good for other nutrients if added last. I then pH down to a set level based on my experience with my lineup and add my nutrients. Seems to work well.
 

Sencha

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I just picked up a gallon of the DynaGro ProTek before I found this thread. I don't want it raising my pH and probably would not have bought it, had I known.

Does adding it first work to combat the proposed increase?
 

OGEvilgenius

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Add it first and then pH your water down. Then add your nutrients. Mine is extremely concentrated and tends to cause my pH to balloon, but I'm also quite sure I am using a lot more than pro-tek will put in your water.

Just bring your water's pH back to whatever it was prior.
 

Leonardo de Garden

Active Member
Most are going to be basic to suspend the silica. Those solutions start out in the 11-12 range and are adjusted down as part of manufacturing.
 
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