Poontanger
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Enjoying this thread thank you for the input
But I have always been under the assumption that it takes longer to produce pollen than the female flower that will receive the pollen ?
Seed Making made easy - Selfing a plant
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But I have always been under the assumption that it takes longer to produce pollen than the female flower that will receive the pollen ?
MATTYMATT726
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You start the plant to be reversed 3 weeks ahead of the plant receiving the pollen.
Traxx187
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so question since i have no other option to grow indoors it sucks we have high winds sometimes but its always windy where im from i do want to preserve some gens and want to s1 some plants but im scared i wont be able to harvest any pollen.. since im outside should i just spray and hope that it pollinates its self?
FirstCavApache64
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Pollination outdoors is frowned upon by some outdoor growers as your pollen can seed a lot of neighboring crops that most likely want sensimilia and don't want random seeds from down the street. I guess it depends on where you're growing too. If you're on a 500 acre farm it's much different than being in the city or burbs. I'd try to find a way to greenhouse it at least.
Traxx187
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im out in the country 10 miles away from city i mean sorry but if i want s1's i need this i can try to green house but not guaranteed
Boatguy
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buckaclark
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You could spray a couple lower branch tops and when you see male flowers place a baguette wrapper over your branch with the plastic window up.You could also include a nearby top to be pollinated in the bag.After pollination take off the bag and spray the tops with water,take the male top off and dispose.Wait 6 weeks before harvesting the seed branch.Harvest the rest whenever you want.Just be sure to try in a couple places and in the sun ,not in the understory where it's shaded.I got plenty seeds from this method and they germinate fine.GL
Traxx187
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Okay gonna give it a try gonna probably put a small hoop house up and do it that way…
buckaclark
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At flip indoors or around the stretch outdoors.
The-Liquor
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Any chance that CS can stress a plant?
I'm trying to self a plant as an experiment and for fun and noticed as soon as I sprayed the next day the leaves were curled down, like a claw. Small pot tiny, 12/12 from seed. Maybe over watering but it just seemed to happen the day after I sprayed.
I'm trying to self a plant as an experiment and for fun and noticed as soon as I sprayed the next day the leaves were curled down, like a claw. Small pot tiny, 12/12 from seed. Maybe over watering but it just seemed to happen the day after I sprayed.
Tracker
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@Budzbuddha I came across your thread before attempting to make fem seeds. I make reg seeds in my garden every year, but i'd never attempted fems before. I bought the Silver Mountain 240ppm CS on Amazon for a reasonable price. Cut it down to between 50ppm and 100ppm with distilled h2o, just eyeballing it when I pour into the small amber glass sprayer. Started applying 1 time per day on the day before flip to 12/12.
First few applications were at 1:1 making around 120ppm CS in the mix. This stressed the leaves, so I backed it off to between 1:2 and 1:3 CS:h2o. They are doing just fine with that.
At about 14 days of 12/12 I saw male parts starting to pop out. I'm just waiting for them to open up a dust on the ladies now.
These are 5 cuts from my 2022 outdoor garden being pollinated with reversed Blue Dream, which will also have selfs on the untreated parts.
Thank you for pudding this easy to follow guide with CS product info. It did the trick.
Cuts are from this garden
This is the current state of the fem seed project at 23 days 12/12
Reversed balls on the BD
Power Cheese - back right
Black Domina x True OG - back center
Motherlode Kush#4 x (Z3 x (Wedding Cake x Blue MAC)) - back left
Blue Peaches - front left
Crystal Skull - front center
Blue Dream - front right
First few applications were at 1:1 making around 120ppm CS in the mix. This stressed the leaves, so I backed it off to between 1:2 and 1:3 CS:h2o. They are doing just fine with that.
At about 14 days of 12/12 I saw male parts starting to pop out. I'm just waiting for them to open up a dust on the ladies now.
These are 5 cuts from my 2022 outdoor garden being pollinated with reversed Blue Dream, which will also have selfs on the untreated parts.
Thank you for pudding this easy to follow guide with CS product info. It did the trick.
Cuts are from this garden
This is the current state of the fem seed project at 23 days 12/12
Reversed balls on the BD
Power Cheese - back right
Black Domina x True OG - back center
Motherlode Kush#4 x (Z3 x (Wedding Cake x Blue MAC)) - back left
Blue Peaches - front left
Crystal Skull - front center
Blue Dream - front right
Budzbuddha
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The-Liquor
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First crack at trying this. Plant has been stressed out. At first sign of male I stoped spraying. My question is did I do it? Did I make lady nuts or is this herm?
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Tracker
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Looks like you've got lady nuts. By applying STS or CS you are basically making the plant herm by blocking the hormone that makes the flowers express as female. They pop out as male structures, but they can only contribute the X female chromosome, so when pollinating a female flower with female pollen, the seeds should all be female.
I started applying CS a day before flipping to 12/12 and continued applications one time per day for about 25 days, stopping applications when the first lady nuts started opening.
This is the current state of things. I positioned a small desk fan facing upward underneath the reversed branch. The intention is to distribute the pollen above the canopy. I've noticed a lot of orange pistils on the female flowers. If that's pollination, I should see swelling calyxes in another week.
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The-Liquor
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Super exciting man thanks! Thats a big seed run! How many seeds do you expect from plants that size?
The plant I have is small, started 12/12 from seed. Sprayed the lower half with CS and now stopped, are you saying I should keep spraying a bit longer? I also have another strain grown from 12/12 going through the stretch right now and just starting to show female. Will the current be able to pollinate the new strain as well or is it too far behind?
I like the fan idea blow up, I bet that works great but I'm about to pop my outdoor seeds to veg for a while inside before I move them outside. Any concern with vegging plants potentially having pollen on them? There shouldn't be any risk because they won't be mature yet right? I guess I'm wondering if pollen could stick to them and lay dormant all summer.
Tracker
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Unlikely. If the veging plants start throwing preflowers before you put them outside, those could possibly get pollinated.
Tracker
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No clue really. It's my first time making fem seeds. I've made a lot of regs. The lady nuts don't seem to drop as much pollen as true male flowers. If this was a reg seed run, I'd expect to get several thousand beans, at least 5k or more.
Tracker
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This is my first attempt, so I'm not qualified to give expert advice, but......
The CS or STS spray suppresses the hormone that causes the flower structure to express as female. I watched some youtubes and reaf forum posts that seemed to indicate that when using CS, I should apply every day until lady nuts started to open. If you zoom in on the reversed branch, you'll see a lot of lady nuts with almost no pistils. The untreated branches on the same plant look like normal female branches full of pistils.
As long as lady nuts are still opening, then whatever pistils are showing have the opportunity to get pollenated. Based on the current run, if I had the space available, I would start the reversed plant on 12/12 aboit 2 weeks ahead of putting the regular females on 12/12, so the lady nuts would be opening right as the females are finishing stretch and throwing out lots of pistils. On the current run, if I want to give the seeds at least 6 weeks to mature, then the plants will have been on 12/12 around 12 weeks.