Anon Emaus
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You could attached the net to the bucket lid/net pot like i do. Stop training either when the net is full or when about 2 weeks into flower since you'll be able to take advantage of flower stretch. Once you get first sign of female like hairs appearing it will really start stretching so you have time.I wanted to set the net lower when I veg them, but the room between net and bucket was too close. I can not have enough room do the res. change. Next time I might Veg them higher or change my setup
When do you stop train them?im in 16 days, im afraid its not gonna stretch enough for the main colas, im I doing fine or if there is anything I can do to fix it?
Much appreciated with your feedback
I just read your grow journal, do you cut off all the small branches and only leave the main colas for the top?
Isn't it a little too high for scrog? can be harvest good on lower site?
No disrespect, just trying to learn this technique right. correct me if im wrong.
Nice setup! is it a 4 by 4 setup? whats the light you use?
Good luck with your grow
I don't cut any bud sites above the net. I let them grow up and become part of the canopy. I do cut the lil straglers under the net that will never amount to anything and just waste energy. Not sure what you mean, do you mean how mine stretched so high above the net? If so then yeah thats technically a bit high for a proper scrog but it worked for what I wanted and needed, basically just wanted a nice even spread out canopy. I didn't factor that much stretch in, could raise my net a bit next time but then again i liked it low so i could start training sooner, so idk. This is my first scrog so i'm still learning, really just gotta find what works best for your space to maximize it.
Anon Emaus
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Looking good, keep it up! Do you see signs of flower yet? Little hairs at armpits or pistils on bud heads?
ligrow
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Just got their close look. Is it consider sign of flower you mentioned?
You could attached the net to the bucket lid/net pot like i do
How do you actually raise or lower your net when its attach on bucket？ Thats a really nice net btw.
Stop training either when the net is full or when about 2 weeks into flower since you'll be able to take advantage of flower stretch. Once you get first sign of female like hairs appearing it will really start stretching so you have time.
Really!? I thought I stretching most at 1-3 week, and when see flow signs they stop.
Do you have think I should stop train by now let them grow vertical at this point?
into day 17 by the way.
Not sure what you mean, do you mean how mine stretched so high above the net?
Yes, I was wondering how lower side can get enough light when they have that much branches cover.
This is not my first time grow, I think I still not getting the point of scrog technique.
Hope I can have better result this run.
You could attached the net to the bucket lid/net pot like i do
How do you actually raise or lower your net when its attach on bucket？ Thats a really nice net btw.
Stop training either when the net is full or when about 2 weeks into flower since you'll be able to take advantage of flower stretch. Once you get first sign of female like hairs appearing it will really start stretching so you have time.
Really!? I thought I stretching most at 1-3 week, and when see flow signs they stop.
Do you have think I should stop train by now let them grow vertical at this point?
into day 17 by the way.
Not sure what you mean, do you mean how mine stretched so high above the net?
Yes, I was wondering how lower side can get enough light when they have that much branches cover.
This is not my first time grow, I think I still not getting the point of scrog technique.
Hope I can have better result this run.
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Anon Emaus
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It's attached to the lid so to get to the res you just lift the lid and everything goes with it. I followed this DIY: https://www.rollitup.org/t/diy-dwc-5-gallon-scrog.510210/
My current grow was at the net when it first showed signs of flower, that was Feb 1st, it has grown 18" since. I think for scrog you want like 8" so yeah i'm quite tall. I'd keep training if I was you if you havnt seen signs of flower yet.
Yeah my lower growth won't get a ton of light, i do have a 42w cfl to rotate around and help provide some side lighting but that not really much. Anything not worthy looking down low I rid of but not really too much, i got the majority of bud sites high enough.
ligrow
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Really nice thanks for the link!
Im kind of tired making scog net( lazy haha...) i saw some net from some site, its for grow some plants that needs to climb like tomato or something. Wonder if I can just attach on the PVC tube.
I think mine have some flower signs after I compare with your grow
Im going to change them to HPS ASAP
I got you now. I have saw some grow with two layer net. I thought you were doing some kind of training like that.
Dont know how it works with two layer also
Thanks for your input!!
Anon Emaus
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Looking closer at that pic it looks like you have pistils so she probably showed maybe a week ago.Really nice thanks for the link!
Im kind of tired making scog net( lazy haha...) i saw some net from some site, its for grow some plants that needs to climb like tomato or something. Wonder if I can just attach on the PVC tube.
I think mine have some flower signs after I compare with your grow
Im going to change them to HPS ASAP
I got you now. I have saw some grow with two layer net. I thought you were doing some kind of training like that.
Dont know how it works with two layer also
Thanks for your input!!
Yeah I'm lazy as shit too haha the worst part was i had a shitty old hand saw to cut the pvc and then threading the net with yarn through the holes took a lot longer than expect haha
Yeah a two layer would have really been my best bet, that would work nicely, train early and train later.
ligrow
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So i probably should stop training a week ago, isnt it?
from now, I just change to HPS and no training? do I cut the lower that under the net right now?
Yes it really took longer than expect...hope I can get one just attach on each side of the tent for my next grow.
btw whats the proper EC range for me right now? now its 0.6 Isnt it too low?
I have order koolbloom both liquid and powder( early and late flowering stage)
but it probably take 10-15 days to get here. Do you think thats too late for using liquid koolbloom for extra push?
Anon Emaus
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Let me first define what I'd say "Flowering" start is. I wouldn't consider it beginning the moment you turn to 12/12 because I have had a grow take 4-5 days after 12/12 to show signs of female and the current one take 18-19 days. Thats a big difference, so I just figure "Flower" starting when I first see signs of female, ie: hairs at elbows and obviously pistils appearing.
Most scrog tutorials will say to continuing tucking 2-3 weeks into flower. With a final result goal being 6-8" above the net. Now of course every grow is different so you gotta dial your own grow in and of course one strain will be different from the next but let's just take mine for example. In 2 weeks of flower mine grew 18" high(it's still going but slowly now), so if I wanted 6-8" above I should have continued tucking(of course I didn't have room to though so i could have technically raised my net or whatever) for a little over a week. Now that's nothing for you to really go by though since you have different light, strain and so on so you'll just have to use this grow as your test and I would say to follow what the tutorials mostly say as its probably the best general advice and tuck for about 2-3 weeks into flower. Just continue letting them grow 3" up, then tuck under, if growth slows a lot then you can always bring them back to a closer hole that will allow it to go back to being higher above the net for the desired result. Just monitor the stretch and make some educated assumptions on when you should stop tucking, no real solid answer.
You could switch to HPS now, the MH will help reduce some stretch though and I've read a lot of folks continuing MH for a couple weeks in flower for that reason. I switched to HPS sooner than I will in the future because I had expected mine to flower sooner like my past grows. Yeah if you see some straglers under the net that will never amount to anything then just rid of them now. Be careful when removing anything in that you only want to do a small amount at a time and give it a break in between, too much to fast will stress the plant and stunt/slow growth, stress can also just domino other issues so take care.
I couldn't tell ya what the proper EC is for your plant, your plant can tell you though. To explain, in DWC you should measure your EC at the time of applying nutrients. A few days later you should measure the EC again. If the EC rises you have too much nutes because the plant is drinking more water than it is taking in nutrients. If EC lowers you have too little nutes because it is uptaking more nutes than it is water. I aim to get that EC to stay right about the same, of course nothing is perfect so you will have some fluctuation so I would say to be happy with a tiny lowering and not have any rising. That way you aren't overferting and aren't technically underferting since its such a small drop and with a 5 gal you'll feed again soon.
I can't advise on those nutes, I never used anything other than the gh flora series and now with my current grow i'm only using FloraNova Bloom as my only nutrient source. I never researched anything on anything else either so couldn't help or say anything about em.
ligrow
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thanks for you input with that much detail.
If you grow it tall, why not setup another layer net?
no real solid answer.
I guess this is why people say experience is priceless
I just switch to HPS tonight. Will have my picture update shortly.
whats the benfit for have MH lights long when flowering?
I heard people switch back MH at last two weeks. Have you ever heard of that?
For my current tent I am flowering its Kosher kush. For hydro grow, I saw people go over 2.0 when flowering.
Im using GH flora with micro and Bloom now. I just raise my EC to 1.1 and correct my PH 5.8
When I have it with 0.5 0.6 EC. EC didnt drop, does that mean they have enough?
Do you use any bloom nutes with extra push? or just base nutrients from clone to harvest?
Have a nice day
ligrow
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Nice It looks like you dont have much branches below the net. which is what I want them to be train like
Anon Emaus
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Welcome. Yeah I'm kinda thinking about that now, as this was my first scrog this is kinda my learning process of using a net. It sucks that I'm in a tight space, a closet, so adding more bulk with another layer net could just be more of a headache so we'll see.
Experience sure is, it's just constant learning.
MH has a better more "spring time" like light spectrum, where HPS has a more "fall time" light spectrum. Veg in spring and flower in fall, so just follow nature, right. Yeah I've heard of that as well as using both lights together throughout the grow to provide both light spectrums to cover all bases. Never looked into it too much so idk, read some people seeing advantage of the switch back to MH and others see no advantage so who knows. If you think about it, it's not like it happens in nature so idk The using both for both spectrums makes more sense but again never looked into it and couldn't do it personally anyway.
Yeah if it was drinking the water and the EC wasn't fluctuating you had enough nutes. Last week i started at a 2.1 EC and it only slightly lowered throughout week so it was where I wanted it but this week I started at 2.1 again but it's too much and it's rising and showing signs of overfert so I just diluted my solution down to 1.7. Some plants like more and some like less so the only way to know is measuring it's usage by EC. My last grow I was trying to match EC numbers to the previous grow, didn't know to just measure its intake, and ended up burning it a good bit.
Nah I never used any extra nutes for bloom or anything. I just followed the ratios of the GH trio my last two grows and now am just using FloraNova Bloom all the way through. I'm really lazy so only opening one bottle instead of 3 is great haha! I probably should have used flora nova grow in veg but i don't veg too long and didn't have any issues at all so oh well. Only ever read people saying the extra bloom stuff is just gimmicks so never cared to look into them. And if there is some magic extra thing out there that boosts yeild then why isn't it already in my bloom nutes lol so idk. Once I get this scrog nailed down and I know what I can expect I might try experimenting with them to see if they actually do anything for me or not. For now I prefer to just keep it simple, don't want to many variables, that just adds more variables to deal with if I run into a problem.
Anon Emaus
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Looking good! I'm only about 2 weeks ahead of you so this will be fun to watch! Once your buds really start bulking up I'm sure you'll surpass me with your bigger light though!
2ANONYMOUS
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raise your table then reset it back and stretch out the tops that stretched more then others Goal is to have every bud site equal not allowing others to shade others
Good practice is to super crop all tops during the 2 week stretch phase this helps control stretch and keep them even then all bud sites will be in fact even
Good practice is to super crop all tops during the 2 week stretch phase this helps control stretch and keep them even then all bud sites will be in fact even
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ligrow
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Thanks
I really hope so, but from my previous grow also with the scrog net. Only pull 60 grams dry each plant. That's why I think I miss something.
ligrow
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Look real nice!
Sorry my English is not good.
When u say raise the table. Do u mean net? I'm not quite sure what u mean.
So do I super crop them now?
Thanks for your feedback
2ANONYMOUS
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yes raise net up then set it back down so all buds sites are level spread out the ones that that has stretched more then others and if she is now in full bloom phase then do not bother with cropping, while you take net off get under plants and start removal of lower bud sites stem shoots n leafs atleast 1/4 0f plant lower part then re set netting your good to go remember them sucker buds will keep trying to grow below canopy you must keep taking them off
This will send all energy to top buds
This will send all energy to top buds
ligrow
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it takes me time to write in English, and it was late.
Sorry, for the late replied.
Yeah man! I after bunch of reading, I think I almost forgot they are plant, they grow in the nature. Its always better when you have indoor grow room's environment more like nature.
I see what you mean, but in my grow. I usually have ph raise when veg/ drop when flower. dont have swings for EC, unless I fill nute or water.
I never used that before, let me see if I can have bigger buds.
I just order a tent and some supplies today for my next grow.
it would be awesome if you can give me some feedback!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/need-some-advice-for-ebb-and-flow-setup.899582/
still confused about all lighting controller
http://rollitup.org/t/electricity-safety-help.897993/
Also I just started my journal this week, still try to figure how this blog works.
feel free to come stop by
http://rollitup.org/Journal/ligrow.787195/
Hey bro! do you live in Denver? what a lucky guy you are.
I live in the place with extremely strict marijuana law, and very expensive price.
Wish i could live in Denver too.
Still appreciated all the knowledge and experience you shared.
have a nice day