Science and Darwin, proof God exists.

JSJ

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I think it to be hilarious how non believers say that science has proofed that there is no God.

Talk about being lost in the darkness.

Here is the the truth, science and Darwin have proven over and over again that God does exist.

Charles Darwin once wrote about life arising from a "warm little pond". The scientific theory of the day was "spontaneous life". The idea that life can arise from non life.

Louis Pasteur, invited the pasteurization process, refused to buy into the theory. The Miller-Urey experiment tried to create life by mixing up a "primordial soup", heating it up and adding electricity. The experiments did not produce any life. Later the experiment was tweaked and oxygen was removed from the "soup", the experiment yielded some minor amino acids (building blocks of life), but still no life. By the way, all known life needs oxygen.

Sir Fredrick Hoyle, astronomer and mathematician, quoted on the Miller-Urey experiment, "The building blocks of proteins can therefore be produced by natural means. But this is far from proving that life could have evolved in this way. No one has shown that the correct arrangements of amino acids, like the orderings in enzymes, can be produced by this method...".

Darwin called bacteria, looking at it with a crude 1880's microscope, a simple cell filled with protoplasm.

Molecular biologist Jonathan Wells and mathematician William Dembski point out, " the simplest life forms we know, the prokaryotic cells (such as bacteria, which lack a nucleus), are themselves immensely complex. Moreover, they are every bit as high-tech as the eukaryotic cells—if eukaryotes are like state-of-the-art laptop computers, then prokaryotes are like state-of-the-art cell phones... There is no evidence whatsoever of earlier, more primitive life forms from which prokaryotes might have evolved".

So how complex is a living cell??

Inside the nucleus of each human cell are found thousands of carefully coded instructions (genes) that have to be translated, transported and reproduced. Information, scientists have realized, is not made of matter—it has no mass, length or width—but it can be conveyed by matter. Neither has it been shown that information can evolve or be improved through mutations.

Bill Gates, founder of the world's largest software company, stated that "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created".

Physicist and chemist Jonathan Sarfati explains: "The amount of information that could be stored in a pinhead's volume of DNA is equivalent to a pile of paperback books 500 times as high as the distance from Earth to the moon, each with a different, yet specific content. Putting it another way, while we think that our new 40 gigabyte hard drives are advanced technology, a pinhead of DNA could hold 100 million times more information".

"What I think the DNA material has done," says Sir Antony Flew of Great Britain, formerly one of the world's leading atheists, "is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.

"It's the enormous complexity of the number of elements and the enormous subtlety of the ways they work together. The meeting of these two parts at the right time by chance is simply minute. It is all a matter of the enormous complexity by which the results were achieved, which looked to me like the work of intelligence"

Darwin assumed the information inside the cell would prove to be simple, but he was flat wrong.

During Darwin's life, he was puzzled over the fossil records. He stated it this way: "The number of intermediate and transitional links, between all living and extinct species, must have been inconceivably great . But assuredly, if this theory [of evolution] be true, such have lived upon the earth"

Yet faced with the evidence, he admitted: "The distinctiveness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty... Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection to my theory"

Catch that?? Darwin saying that his own theory is flawed with no evidence to support it.

As paleontologist and evolutionist David Raup readily admits: "Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn't changed much .

"The record of evolution is still surprisingly jerky and, ironically, we have even fewerexamples of evolutionary transitions than we had in Darwin's time... So Darwin's problem has not been alleviated in the last 120 years and we still have a record which does show change but one that can hardly be looked upon as the most reasonable consequence of natural selection"

Catch that?? Science, is disproving Darwin with every fossil they dig up.

Darwin's theory of evolution has now been split into 2 theories. Macro- and Micro- evolution. Micro-evolution is why the common finch on the east coast looks different than the common finch on the west coast. Macro-evolution says they we as humans came from a fish. Macro-evolution has been disproved by science over and over.

Darwin's arch nemesis, Cambrian Explosion.

The Cambrian Explosion is the fossils of a huge variety of complex life-forms appearing suddenly, without predecessors, in the same low level of the fossil record. This obviously did not fit his evolutionary model of simple-to-complex life.

Regarding the Cambrian Explosion, Time magazine notes: "Creatures with teeth and tentacles and claws and jaws materialized with the suddenness of apparitions. In a burst of creativity like nothing before or since, nature appears to have sketched out the blueprints for virtually the whole of the animal kingdom. This explosion of biological diversity is described by scientists as biology's Big Bang".

Darwin wrote: "To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer... The difficulty of assigning any good reason for the absence of vast piles of strata rich in fossils beneath the Cambrian is very great . . . The case at present must remaininexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained"

Now you did catch that right?? Darwin saying that his theory of Macro-evolution failed. There is no evolution, only evilution.

To all the science and math loving members here on RUI who like to say that science has disproved God, research the truth and you will find out that God still loves you.
 

Hazydat620

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Sounds like you got it all figured out, but the only way to know for sure is to to go to the other side (death) and come back to tell the tales. Do you have the nuts to be the first to shake god's hand, AND come back to tell the story(pics or it didn't happen)?
 

bf80255

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darwin wrote a lot of stuff about the absence of geological record and a bunch of other things that he couldnt fully explain because science hadnt caught up quite yet not because ot just didnt exist.
have you actually read origins?
 

JSJ

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darwin wrote a lot of stuff about the absence of geological record and a bunch of other things that he couldnt fully explain because science hadnt caught up quite yet not because ot just didnt exist.
have you actually read origins?
Have you read of any scientific proof since Darwin's time, now that science has had the time to catch up, that has added any weight to his theory??

And Hazy, the more my eyes are opened, the more excited I am to see the other side.
 

thepenofareadywriter

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I think it to be hilarious how non believers say that science has proofed that there is no God.

Talk about being lost in the darkness.

Here is the the truth, science and Darwin have proven over and over again that God does exist.

Charles Darwin once wrote about life arising from a "warm little pond". The scientific theory of the day was "spontaneous life". The idea that life can arise from non life.

Louis Pasteur, invited the pasteurization process, refused to buy into the theory. The Miller-Urey experiment tried to create life by mixing up a "primordial soup", heating it up and adding electricity. The experiments did not produce any life. Later the experiment was tweaked and oxygen was removed from the "soup", the experiment yielded some minor amino acids (building blocks of life), but still no life. By the way, all known life needs oxygen.

Sir Fredrick Hoyle, astronomer and mathematician, quoted on the Miller-Urey experiment, "The building blocks of proteins can therefore be produced by natural means. But this is far from proving that life could have evolved in this way. No one has shown that the correct arrangements of amino acids, like the orderings in enzymes, can be produced by this method...".

Darwin called bacteria, looking at it with a crude 1880's microscope, a simple cell filled with protoplasm.

Molecular biologist Jonathan Wells and mathematician William Dembski point out, " the simplest life forms we know, the prokaryotic cells (such as bacteria, which lack a nucleus), are themselves immensely complex. Moreover, they are every bit as high-tech as the eukaryotic cells—if eukaryotes are like state-of-the-art laptop computers, then prokaryotes are like state-of-the-art cell phones... There is no evidence whatsoever of earlier, more primitive life forms from which prokaryotes might have evolved".

So how complex is a living cell??

Inside the nucleus of each human cell are found thousands of carefully coded instructions (genes) that have to be translated, transported and reproduced. Information, scientists have realized, is not made of matter—it has no mass, length or width—but it can be conveyed by matter. Neither has it been shown that information can evolve or be improved through mutations.

Bill Gates, founder of the world's largest software company, stated that "DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created".

Physicist and chemist Jonathan Sarfati explains: "The amount of information that could be stored in a pinhead's volume of DNA is equivalent to a pile of paperback books 500 times as high as the distance from Earth to the moon, each with a different, yet specific content. Putting it another way, while we think that our new 40 gigabyte hard drives are advanced technology, a pinhead of DNA could hold 100 million times more information".

"What I think the DNA material has done," says Sir Antony Flew of Great Britain, formerly one of the world's leading atheists, "is that it has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together.

"It's the enormous complexity of the number of elements and the enormous subtlety of the ways they work together. The meeting of these two parts at the right time by chance is simply minute. It is all a matter of the enormous complexity by which the results were achieved, which looked to me like the work of intelligence"

Darwin assumed the information inside the cell would prove to be simple, but he was flat wrong.

During Darwin's life, he was puzzled over the fossil records. He stated it this way: "The number of intermediate and transitional links, between all living and extinct species, must have been inconceivably great . But assuredly, if this theory [of evolution] be true, such have lived upon the earth"

Yet faced with the evidence, he admitted: "The distinctiveness of specific forms, and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty... Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection to my theory"

Catch that?? Darwin saying that his own theory is flawed with no evidence to support it.

As paleontologist and evolutionist David Raup readily admits: "Well, we are now about 120 years after Darwin and the knowledge of the fossil record has been greatly expanded. We now have a quarter of a million fossil species but the situation hasn't changed much .

"The record of evolution is still surprisingly jerky and, ironically, we have even fewerexamples of evolutionary transitions than we had in Darwin's time... So Darwin's problem has not been alleviated in the last 120 years and we still have a record which does show change but one that can hardly be looked upon as the most reasonable consequence of natural selection"

Catch that?? Science, is disproving Darwin with every fossil they dig up.

Darwin's theory of evolution has now been split into 2 theories. Macro- and Micro- evolution. Micro-evolution is why the common finch on the east coast looks different than the common finch on the west coast. Macro-evolution says they we as humans came from a fish. Macro-evolution has been disproved by science over and over.

Darwin's arch nemesis, Cambrian Explosion.

The Cambrian Explosion is the fossils of a huge variety of complex life-forms appearing suddenly, without predecessors, in the same low level of the fossil record. This obviously did not fit his evolutionary model of simple-to-complex life.

Regarding the Cambrian Explosion, Time magazine notes: "Creatures with teeth and tentacles and claws and jaws materialized with the suddenness of apparitions. In a burst of creativity like nothing before or since, nature appears to have sketched out the blueprints for virtually the whole of the animal kingdom. This explosion of biological diversity is described by scientists as biology's Big Bang".

Darwin wrote: "To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer... The difficulty of assigning any good reason for the absence of vast piles of strata rich in fossils beneath the Cambrian is very great . . . The case at present must remaininexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained"

Now you did catch that right?? Darwin saying that his theory of Macro-evolution failed. There is no evolution, only evilution.

To all the science and math loving members here on RUI who like to say that science has disproved God, research the truth and you will find out that God still loves you.
"I think it to be hilarious how non believers say that science has proofed that there is no God.
Talk about being lost in the darkness.
Here is the the truth, science and Darwin have proven over and over again that God does exist" so you actually find that funny lol...no I do not believe in a deity...but I do believe in experience I also believe that a lot of nonbelievers would like to believe ,but unfortunately no one can prove the existence of a deity only because you can't prove something that you do not know yes I know people use their bible to prove their believe...but that's because that's what they know of their deity they know their book although not very well...
 

JSJ

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"I think it to be hilarious how non believers say that science has proofed that there is no God.
Talk about being lost in the darkness.
Here is the the truth, science and Darwin have proven over and over again that God does exist" so you actually find that funny lol...no I do not believe in a deity...but I do believe in experience I also believe that a lot of nonbelievers would like to believe ,but unfortunately no one can prove the existence of a deity only because you can't prove something that you do not know yes I know people use their bible to prove their believe...but that's because that's what they know of their deity they know their book although not very well...
I'm very sorry if it came across like I think non believers are funny, on the contrary. What I think is funny is how they say science has disproved God, but yet all science has done is strengthened the case for a higher creator.
 

bf80255

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yes indeed, i see where this is going.... i respect your idealogical differences and see no reason to e plore the subject any further.
 

clownfreak9000

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I died I am ashamed to say this but it was by my own hand,
I remember black and peace their was something else I just don't remember what it was but I should of gone to hell
 

Padawanbater2

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I think it to be hilarious how non believers say that science has proofed that there is no God.
Science can't prove or disprove the existence of a God as the concept of God resides in the pseudo scientific realm of inquiry, just like ghosts, demons, souls, spirits, goblins, ghouls, witches, unicorns, trolls, leprechauns, chupacabras, abominable snowmen and the like..

One must understand science and how it works before one asks questions or makes statements about it.. That's usually my rule anyway..
 

dannyboy602

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All known life DOES NOT need O2. Plants emit O2 as waste. They take in water and break it apart, O2 goes out the stoma.
 

JSJ

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Science can't prove or disprove the existence of a God as the concept of God resides in the pseudo scientific realm of inquiry, just like ghosts, demons, souls, spirits, goblins, ghouls, witches, unicorns, trolls, leprechauns, chupacabras, abominable snowmen and the like..

One must understand science and how it works before one asks questions or makes statements about it.. That's usually my rule anyway..
Sounds like you are trying to split hairs than having any kind of an on topic response.

Main stream science, the science I was taught in the school systems, the science that america was taught, their theories only add more weight to the existence of a higher creator.

You want to call it pseudo science because you can't grab a piece of it and hold it, I can totally understand that, but it doesn't make it any less real.

The truth is, the more main stream science advances in technology, the more they realize that it is impossible for life to have evolved on this planet. Which just keeps adding more weight to support the pseudo scientific higher creator.

I guess when one does not know or understands science, they are more prone to be misled by what other people tell them and teach them about science.
 

Padawanbater2

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Main stream science, the science I was taught in the school systems, the science that america was taught, their theories only add more weight to the existence of a higher creator.
Completely wrong. Just as I said before, science can neither prove a god exists nor disprove one does as one of the defining characteristics of religion is faith. You must have faith a god exists, this is one of the prerequisites to getting into Heaven.

You want to call it pseudo science because you can't grab a piece of it and hold it, I can totally understand that, but it doesn't make it any less real.
Pseudoscience, by definition, are things we cannot test. If we can't test something, then it's not real.

The truth is, the more main stream science advances in technology, the more they realize that it is impossible for life to have evolved on this planet. Which just keeps adding more weight to support the pseudo scientific higher creator.
Completely wrong. The theory of evolution is the foundation of biology in modern science, it's one of the most widely accepted theories on Earth and has nearly 200 years of evidence to back it up. You're grasping..

I guess when one does not know or understands science, they are more prone to be misled by what other people tell them and teach them about science.
Case in point, your post
 

JSJ

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Completely wrong. Just as I said before, science can neither prove a god exists nor disprove one does as one of the defining characteristics of religion is faith. You must have faith a god exists, this is one of the prerequisites to getting into Heaven.

Not once have I linked God with any religion. In fact I am sure I can quote a post of mine saying that God transcends all religions. You are trying to argue a point I have never made.

Padawanbater2 said:
Pseudoscience, by definition, are things we cannot test. If we can't test something, then it's not real.

The definition is moot here. You think because you cannot see, hold, touch or test God, it is not real. I have two responses to that. First, 130 years ago science didn't even know DNA existed. 100 years ago it was theorized to hold genetic coding but, just a theory because it could not be tested. So I guess, according to you anyway, for millions of years DNA was not real because it could not be laboratory tested.

Secondly, I hope you have a child, get up from in front of the puter, go to the next room and pick that child up, hold them, look upon them, gently give them a kiss, and see if you are not touching a piece of God.

Padawanbater2 said:
Completely wrong. The theory of evolution is the foundation of biology in modern science, it's one of the most widely accepted theories on Earth and has nearly 200 years of evidence to back it up. You're grasping..

GRASPING??? You obviously did not read the op. These are the findings and beliefs of main stream science. Darwin himself said he had no evidence of his theory and that science, in the future, would have to find the evidence. 200 years later, unlike what you have been taught and think, there still is NO evidence to back up his theory. Not one Precambrian fossil. Not one post Cambrian transitional fossil. Where is all the evidence you speak of? Maybe with all the evidence of the widely accepted theory of flat earth?

Padawanbater2 said:
Case in point, your post
Ahh you got me. No Ph.D. after my name, no state college diploma on my wall, huh?

Like I said, its people who don't know science, who will believe the vastly erroneous theory thrown at them and told this is how it has to be because we have no other way to disprove the existence of God.
 

Padawanbater2

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Not once have I linked God with any religion. In fact I am sure I can quote a post of mine saying that God transcends all religions. You are trying to argue a point I have never made.
Irrelevant.

Faith is a fundamental tenet of organized religion for the very reason that Gods/religions can't be falsified. There is no evidence to support the existence of any gods.


The definition is moot here. You think because you cannot see, hold, touch or test God, it is not real. I have two responses to that. First, 130 years ago science didn't even know DNA existed. 100 years ago it was theorized to hold genetic coding but, just a theory because it could not be tested. So I guess, according to you anyway, for millions of years DNA was not real because it could not be laboratory tested.
Not being able to test something now, does not mean it's not real. Not having any evidence to support something and claiming it's real means it's not real. Real is evidence, evidence is testable, see where I'm going with this?

DNA was still real 130 years ago, we had evidence to suggest it was, that's how we know it's real. We do not have the same evidence for the existence of God(s)

Take for instance black holes. We know they exist even though we can't observe them directly because they emit no light. The evidence that supports their existence is their gravitational effect on neighboring space and star systems. Same with dark energy. These are things we currently do not have the ability to test directly, just indirectly, and it doesn't negate their existence.

Having said that, what can I test, either directly or indirectly to confirm the existence of God(s)?


Secondly, I hope you have a child, get up from in front of the puter, go to the next room and pick that child up, hold them, look upon them, gently give them a kiss, and see if you are not touching a piece of God.
I don't have a child, but even if I did this is not a convincing argument

GRASPING??? You obviously did not read the op. These are the findings and beliefs of main stream science. Darwin himself said he had no evidence of his theory and that science, in the future, would have to find the evidence. 200 years later, unlike what you have been taught and think, there still is NO evidence to back up his theory. Not one Precambrian fossil. Not one post Cambrian transitional fossil. Where is all the evidence you speak of? Maybe with all the evidence of the widely accepted theory of flat earth?
Darwin did not say there was no evidence for the theory of evolution, he said the evidence was overwhelming, but scarce for the time, and that over the decades, science would discover more and more transitional species, which it has, that would strengthen it.

"NO evidence to back up his theory." Absurd. The overwhelming majority of biologists accept the theory of evolution as fact, it's been demonstrated in real time with fruit flies, we have dozens of transitions of human evolution that match up with exactly what we would expect in time scales. Neil Shubin discovered the transition of the wrist bones in fish to amphibian in Tiktaalik by figuring out what rocks were the correct age to search in, deducing with the theory of evolution alone what site to look. That could not have happened unless the theory of evolution is true.

How do you explain this picture, is it a hoax?



Ahh you got me. No Ph.D. after my name, no state college diploma on my wall, huh?

Like I said, its people who don't know science, who will believe the vastly erroneous theory thrown at them and told this is how it has to be because we have no other way to disprove the existence of God.
The only "evidence" you've given that discredits the theory of evolution is your extreme ignorance of it, which doesn't devalue the theory in the least.

What are land animals to sea animals but evolution, case in point dolphins and whales, which are mammals, just like us. Not fish. Ever wonder why they have a vertical swim pattern instead of a horizontal one, like fish? It's because their ancestors ran on land. Their spines developed in a way suitable for forward movement on land, just like how a cheetah's spine bends vertically when they run. Fish swim with horizontal patterns because their ancestors never ran on land.

Why do vestigial organs exist?

Why are chickens still coded with teeth genes, like their ancestor dinosaurs, but don't have any teeth?

Why do humans and chimpanzees share 98% of our DNA?

Why is every single living organism on Earth based on Carbon?

Why do all mammals share a common physical structure (4 limbs, 1 head, 1 tail) (Humans have tail bones, vestigial remnants from our ancestors) suggesting common descent?

Why do some whales have vestigial leg bones?

Why can a certain species of lizard or finch live on an island so long it can reproduce offspring that are physically unable to successfully mate with the original species, effectively creating another species of lizard/finch?

Can you answer any of these questions without invoking a creator?
 
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tyler.durden

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Irrelevant.

Faith is a fundamental tenet of organized religion for the very reason that Gods/religions can't be falsified. There is no evidence to support the existence of any gods.




Not being able to test something now, does not mean it's not real. Not having any evidence to support something and claiming it's real means it's not real. Real is evidence, evidence is testable, see where I'm going with this?

DNA was still real 130 years ago, we had evidence to suggest it was, that's how we know it's real. We do not have the same evidence for the existence of God(s)

Take for instance black holes. We know they exist even though we can't observe them directly because they emit no light. The evidence that supports their existence is their gravitational effect on neighboring space and star systems. Same with dark energy. These are things we currently do not have the ability to test directly, just indirectly, and it doesn't negate their existence.

Having said that, what can I test, either directly or indirectly to confirm the existence of God(s)?




I don't have a child, but even if I did this is not a convincing argument



Darwin did not say there was no evidence for the theory of evolution, he said the evidence was overwhelming, but scarce for the time, and that over the decades, science would discover more and more transitional species, which it has, that would strengthen it.

"NO evidence to back up his theory." Absurd. The overwhelming majority of biologists accept the theory of evolution as fact, it's been demonstrated in real time with fruit flies, we have dozens of transitions of human evolution that match up with exactly what we would expect in time scales. Neil Shubin discovered the transition of the wrist bones in fish to amphibian in Tiktaalik by figuring out what rocks were the correct age to search in, deducing with the theory of evolution alone what site to look. That could not have happened unless the theory of evolution is true.

How do you explain this picture, is it a hoax?





The only "evidence" you've given that discredits the theory of evolution is your extreme ignorance of it, which doesn't devalue the theory in the least.

What are land animals to sea animals but evolution, case in point dolphins and whales, which are mammals, just like us. Not fish. Ever wonder why they have a vertical swim pattern instead of a horizontal one, like fish? It's because their ancestors ran on land. Their spines developed in a way suitable for forward movement on land, just like how a cheetah's spine bends vertically when they run. Fish swim with horizontal patterns because their ancestors never ran on land.

Why do vestigial organs exist?

Why are chickens still coded with teeth genes, like their ancestor dinosaurs, but don't have any teeth?

Why do humans and chimpanzees share 98% of our DNA?

Why is every single living organism on Earth based on Carbon?

Why do all mammals share a common physical structure (4 limbs, 1 head, 1 tail) (Humans have tail bones, vestigial remnants from our ancestors) suggesting common descent?

Why do some whales have vestigial leg bones?

Why can a certain species of lizard or finch live on an island so long it can reproduce offspring that are physically unable to successfully mate with the original species, effectively creating another species of lizard/finch?

Can you answer any of these questions without invoking a creator?
Well, Goddamn! Where the fuck did the rep button go???
 

tip top toker

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I find it hilarious that there are religious types so stupid as to think they can somehow offer proof that god exists.
 
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