Rust spots confused on mag or lockout,

Sc00b3rt

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So i have two plants one in a 2gal and the other in a 3 Or 5 i think lol, im an experienced grower but i dont know whats the prob ive been on the internet but can pinpoint whatsup

FoxFarm OceanFloor
Cfl Lamps
3 Gal 3 weeks into veg
5 Gal month into veg
No nutes other than soil,
Little showing sign But no spots,
 

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hyroot

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calcium deficiency. Kelp meal, crab meal, neem meal, rock dust all have calcium. Foliars and nutrient and compost teas
 

Sc00b3rt

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calcium deficiency. Kelp meal, crab meal, neem meal, rock dust all have calcium. Foliars and nutrient and compost teas
You sure? I am using fox farm soil,


Edit: Nahh def not that the symptoms are different,
 

hyroot

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there's about 7 days of nutes in fox farm soil. Also fox farm soil and nutes are not organic.

that's definitely calcium def. little rust spots are always calcium. Too much mag can lock out calcium and cause a def. Lock outs also cause growth to cease and leaves to claw.

so its a calcium deficiency. If there were large rust spots at the base of the leaf it would be a boron def. Its not. Its calcium.
 

Sc00b3rt

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there's about 7 days of nutes in fox farm soil. Also fox farm soil and nutes are not organic.

that's definitely calcium def. little rust spots are always calcium. Too much mag can lock out calcium and cause a def. Lock outs also cause growth to cease and leaves to claw.

so its a calcium deficiency. If there were large rust spots at the base of the leaf it would be a boron def. Its not. Its calcium.
Ok ok I'm just going to add the nutes what you think I should be alright no flush?
 

hyroot

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all flushing does is rid the plant of salts. Salt build up can cause lock out. Yours doesn't appear to be locked out. Just add more calcium. Be careful if using cal mag mix. Too much mag will lock out cal and vice versa. I thinks who ever came up with cal mag mix first is not to bright and doesn't know the first thing about horticulture or botany.

an all around nutrient tea I use would work great.

for 5 gal tea
1/2 cup alfalfa meal
1/4 cup kelp meal
brew for 1-2 days. Til foamy.

then right before using add 25 mils pro tekt
1 cup pureed aloe leaves.

water and use as a foliar.

compost tea for 5 gal tea

3 tbsp molasses - aerate for an hour

add a couple handfuls of compost and worm castings
1/4 cup kelp meal.

brew for 2 days.

seed sprout teas (enzymes, minerals, nutes, cytokines, saponins, sugars).

per 5 gal 2 oz or 1/4 cup of corn sees or barley seed

soak for 12 hours
rinse
rest on wet cloth in the dark for 12 hours.

repeat both steps til sprouted. Puree with 1/2 cup of water. Then strain into 5 gal of water.

aerate / brew for a couple hours. Don let go past 4 hours or becomes acedic / herbicide.

when seeds sprout the endosperm releases all kinds of goodies .

topdress worm castings and compost also

toss those bottles and do living organics for the beat quality
 

Sc00b3rt

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all flushing does is rid the plant of salts. Salt build up can cause lock out. Yours doesn't appear to be locked out. Just add more calcium. Be careful if using cal mag mix. Too much mag will lock out cal and vice versa. I thinks who ever came up with cal mag mix first is not to bright and doesn't know the first thing about horticulture or botany.

an all around nutrient tea I use would work great.

for 5 gal tea
1/2 cup alfalfa meal
1/4 cup kelp meal
brew for 1-2 days. Til foamy.

then right before using add 25 mils pro tekt
1 cup pureed aloe leaves.

water and use as a foliar.

compost tea for 5 gal tea

3 tbsp molasses - aerate for an hour

add a couple handfuls of compost and worm castings
1/4 cup kelp meal.

brew for 2 days.

seed sprout teas (enzymes, minerals, nutes, cytokines, saponins, sugars).

per 5 gal 2 oz or 1/4 cup of corn sees or barley seed

soak for 12 hours
rinse
rest on wet cloth in the dark for 12 hours.

repeat both steps til sprouted. Puree with 1/2 cup of water. Then strain into 5 gal of water.

aerate / brew for a couple hours. Don let go past 4 hours or becomes acedic / herbicide.

when seeds sprout the endosperm releases all kinds of goodies .

topdress worm castings and compost also

toss those bottles and do living organics for the beat quality
Ok ok ok so i work on an organic farm also and we got red wrigglers can injust use the conpost tea from them And be ok? Cause i dont think ill find alll that stuff, and i still have to add the fox farm nutes ima use that at half strength,
 

hyroot

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that compost is fine. red wigglers are the best for vermicomposting.


The smaller ones look better and fine now. the larger one has phos, nitrogen, iron, and mag defs
 

greasemonkeymann

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And what about epsom salt how much should I use like what strength
don't use that, if you really want a good shot of calcium and magnesium, use blackstrap molasses.
And triple check the undersides of those leaves....
maybe i'm just traumatized by my two decades of mite battles...
Just triple check though, on plants that size, that early, if it was a mite issue it'd be easier than later...
Only one of the pics looks like it possibly could be mite damage, the pic with your finger in it. Hard to see from the picture though, but i'd make sure.
 

Sc00b3rt

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ok so i got some of grandmas molasses, whats the ratio cause i made molasses water before for flowering on my last one but that SHit stinks and it attracts nats,
 

Sc00b3rt

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No there aint mites but it was a nat killed im finna get a couple venus flytraps hopefully keep bug control down also added some water with egg shells and plant is so light green im starting to notice preflowers the claws are males right?
 

Sc00b3rt

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This is yet another good example of why lime should be added to any soil you use for your bud plants.
Dah it doesnt matter anyway i ended up taking it down cause it was male and replaced it with two female clones so im not worried no more thanks for the help the little one is yellowing but thats old growth which is natural so yea anyways for the most part the clones are taking off
 
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