Russian interference in elections is a sad joke

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Unclebaldrick said:
cool. I would drink with the guy. Pirate his "Untold History of the US" and you will see what I mean. I think it is ten parts. The Wallace adoration is as ridiculous as his JFK theory.
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Yeah, I don't buy into it but I saw it. I don't adore Wallace but he would certainly have been better than Truman was. These guys like to frame that to make it seem like the last DNC primaries between Saint Bernard and Hillary were a repeat of it. I get it. Cocaine's a helluva drug. Maybe in Schuy's case it is meth.
 
Padawanbater2

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So why aren't the people buying into the Russian hysteria as upset that domestic oligarchs verifiably influenced the 2016 election and effectively subverted American democracy? Why are they not upset that the Clinton campaign effectively subverted American democracy during the Democratic primary?

Well, simply put, because by subverting American democracy, Hillary Clinton would have won, and they supported her. These people are not principled, they believe the ends justify the means. It's about party control, not issues. They're no better than Republicans.
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
So why aren't the people buying into the Russian hysteria as upset that domestic oligarchs verifiably influenced the 2016 election and effectively subverted American democracy? Why are they not upset that the Clinton campaign effectively subverted American democracy during the Democratic primary?

Well, simply put, because by subverting American democracy, Hillary Clinton would have won, and they supported her. These people are not principled, they believe the ends justify the means. It's about party control, not issues. They're no better than Republicans.
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so who do you think will be indicted next?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
So why aren't the people buying into the Russian hysteria as upset that domestic oligarchs verifiably influenced the 2016 election and effectively subverted American democracy? Why are they not upset that the Clinton campaign effectively subverted American democracy during the Democratic primary?

Well, simply put, because by subverting American democracy, Hillary Clinton would have won, and they supported her. These people are not principled, they believe the ends justify the means. It's about party control, not issues. They're no better than Republicans.
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No one cares anymore.

If no one values freedom then it will die an orphan.

Let's go cheer for more American wars overseas and more military hardware for our 'civilian' police forces!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
who do you think will be indicted next in this sad joke?
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Who cares?

They don't indict those committing high crimes in plain sight on the evening news so what difference does it make anymore?

Say the Dems actually manage to A. Secure both the House and Senate in the midterms, and B. Actually get the Chump impeached and removed.

How would the Gray Headed Penis be any better? It's just changing the face.

The American sheeple have already decided they don't care. If high school students rock the boat more than 200 million adults then I'd say the end result is already clear.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
So why aren't the people buying into the Russian hysteria as upset that domestic oligarchs verifiably influenced the 2016 election and effectively subverted American democracy? Why are they not upset that the Clinton campaign effectively subverted American democracy during the Democratic primary?

Well, simply put, because by subverting American democracy, Hillary Clinton would have won, and they supported her. These people are not principled, they believe the ends justify the means. It's about party control, not issues. They're no better than Republicans.
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Oh, Hi!!!!!!

Hey, you probably forgot to reply back to a question I asked you earlier when you were ranting discussing a theory you have about the 2016 Democratic primary being rigged because as you claim, Hillary cheated Bernie out of his victory. I won't go into how this theory has been given a thorough going over by people who have much more information than you do*. I just would like you to explain why, if Hillary cheated, why didn't she get a uniform response from voters? White men, for example, were the only demographic group in which a majority voted for Bernie. All other demographic groups went to Hillary. Black voters especially did, giving Clinton 80% of their vote. I'm just wondering if you can explain why only white men were not taken in by Hillary's alleged (by you) cheating? Do you think something is different about Black (and Hispanic and women) voters that make them more susceptible to being fooled? If so, why do you think this is so?

*In case you are wondering what those people who have much more information than you do said about this, they said that the primary was not rigged and that Clinton did not cheat.
 
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Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Who cares?

They don't indict those committing high crimes in plain sight on the evening news so what difference does it make anymore?

Say the Dems actually manage to A. Secure both the House and Senate in the midterms, and B. Actually get the Chump impeached and removed.

How would the Gray Headed Penis be any better? It's just changing the face.

The American sheeple have already decided they don't care. If high school students rock the boat more than 200 million adults then I'd say the end result is already clear.
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I don't believe Mueller will uncover evidence of crimes so awful as to motivate Republicans to remove Trump. It would have to be really bad. It would have to be worse than raping children in front of witnesses, which apparently, Trump actually did. It would have to be worse than maintaining conflicts of interest with his business empire while serving as President. It would have to be worse than accepting money from foreign governments as forbade in the constitution. I don't think any of that would motivate Republicans to remove him. If Mueller did uncover something that would motivate Republicans to remove him from office, it would have to be a whopper..

Let's assume Trump is proven to have committed criminal acts that would move enough Republicans to impeach. Are you saying that he shouldn't be removed because Pence is a dyed in the wool right winger?
 
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Fogdog

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Excessive_Toker said:
Are you his caregiver? If you are, may I suggest giving the little rascal some time to frolick in the sun?
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I was just commenting at how kind and generous it is for you to give Buck your advice.

Oregon doesn't get much full sunlight right now but thanks for asking. You are such a kind and caring person. Makes me happy just knowing you and I share the same planet and breathe the same air. :hug:
 
Excessive_Toker

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Fogdog said:
I was just commenting at how kind and generous it is for you to give Buck your advice.

Oregon doesn't get much full sunlight right now but thanks for asking. You are such a kind and caring person. Makes me happy just knowing you and I share the same planet and breathe the same air. :hug:
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The feeling is mutual. :( <-------- Frowning that Oregon isn't getting much sunlight at this time.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
I don't believe Mueller will uncover evidence of crimes so awful as to motivate Republicans to remove Trump. It would have to be really bad. It would have to be worse than raping children in front of witnesses, which apparently, Trump actually did. It would have to be worse than maintaining conflicts of interest with his business empire while serving as President. It would have to be worse than accepting money from foreign governments as forbade in the constitution. I don't think any of that would motivate Republicans to remove him. If Mueller did uncover something that would motivate Republicans to remove him from office, it would have to be a whopper..

Let's assume Trump is proven to have committed criminal acts that would move enough Republicans to impeach. Are you saying that he shouldn't be removed because Pence is a dyed in the wool right winger?
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Look, I hope he does.

I just don't have any confidence in American 'Justice' anymore.
 
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