Russet mites

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Tiffay2180

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HydroRed said:
Your canoeing may be another unrelated issue like RH/temps too high/lights being too close etc. How is the air exchange in your room?
Those "eggs" you are seeing may actually be the mites and not eggs. The mites themselves look cylindrical in shape and are hard to tell color until they accumulate in very large number groups.
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So I took pictures to my local shop and we decided root aphids. The eggs are perfectly round but I don't think they are eggs at all. Not sire when they are mabe just something the plant secretes. After I talk to a guy I went in to my room and looked down instead of up and sure enough found flying bugs which means either gnats or root aphids! At least battle those then go from there. Thank you for all the input!
 
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Tiffay2180

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SSHZ said:
As usual with RIU, there is some good and bad info here. But they key is proper identification of the insect, because many available products don't work on all mites or bugs.

Here is a very helpful web site for various products: http://thelandscaperstore.com/page/insecticides

But I'll quickly relay my personal experience....I fought the borg for over 2+ years and used just about EVERY available product in my journey. $100's and $100's and $100's of dollars over the years. Finally though, I found Forbid 4F worked most effectively. You can buy a small amount on Ebay for $20 and it's good for around 5-6 does. A dose per gallon is .5ml to 1.2ml and I accidently used 5ml, 5X to 6X too strong. When I realized it, I sprayed down the plants to dilute what was on the leaves. But it totally wiped out any issues and I haven't seen a mite since. It is also absorbed into the leaves and has a 45 day residual effectiveness which is nice so no additional spraying will be necessary.

Also, always water the plants well a few hours before the spraying. This will reduce the amount of miticide absorbed by the leaves and reduce any chances for leaf damage.
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We went big we did forbid 4f and avid in rotation. Its root aphids. Went to my room and saw the flying females either that or gnats but my money is root aphids.
 
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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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SSHZ said:
As usual with RIU, there is some good and bad info here. But they key is proper identification of the insect, because many available products don't work on all mites or bugs.

Here is a very helpful web site for various products: http://thelandscaperstore.com/page/insecticides

But I'll quickly relay my personal experience....I fought the borg for over 2+ years and used just about EVERY available product in my journey. $100's and $100's and $100's of dollars over the years. Finally though, I found Forbid 4F worked most effectively. You can buy a small amount on Ebay for $20 and it's good for around 5-6 does. A dose per gallon is .5ml to 1.2ml and I accidently used 5ml, 5X to 6X too strong. When I realized it, I sprayed down the plants to dilute what was on the leaves. But it totally wiped out any issues and I haven't seen a mite since. It is also absorbed into the leaves and has a 45 day residual effectiveness which is nice so no additional spraying will be necessary.

Also, always water the plants well a few hours before the spraying. This will reduce the amount of miticide absorbed by the leaves and reduce any chances for leaf damage.
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hey man.in case you get em again... Just wanted to add my experience on these fuckers... They didn't seem to be that hard for me to battle, compared to the four different types of spider mites we have here.
But go buy some PURE lavender oil (radha beauty products is the one I like, on amazon), and then get some dawn ultra.
Put half a "dropper" worth of the lavender oil in a spray bottle, add a drop of dawn, and shake.
Spray.
It'll kill every russet on there, including the eggs. (doesn't do shit for adult spider mites though, only russets)
I get spider mites EVERY grow, these fuckers will laugh at ALL miticides..
but the russets weren't that bad..
And I got it good before I knew it, the symptoms are a lil weird, looks like brown fuzz..
Here are some good pictures for anyone that is curious. These aren't my pics, just good examples.
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SSHZ

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The tell-tale sign for most mites is the white dots on the leaves from the mites sucking the chlorophyll juice from underneath.....and of course the mites and eggs underneath too.

Hey Grease....your issue looks more like a Cal/mag issue from the taco-ing of the leaves or over heating from the lamps.
 
Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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SSHZ said:
The tell-tale sign for most mites is the white dots on the leaves from the mites sucking the chlorophyll juice from underneath.....and of course the mites and eggs underneath too.

Hey Grease....your issue looks more like a Cal/mag issue from the taco-ing of the leaves or over heating from the lamps.
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We're talking russet mites(cyclamen)not a regular mite you'll usually encounter with cannabis like the two spotted. No white dots, no webs;-) way fucking worse!
The two spotted aint shit compared to the russet. These fucking russets just costed me an easy 30K. They're gone for now, but fuck me runnin. Here's my own pics of the damage from them lil bastards in veg. At the very same time, the main flower room at that place turned to shit. I've been growing indoor for 25yrs. Those microscopic fuckers just got me good. Didn't even know what the fuck had hit me until it was too late:-(
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Thanks for the tips earlier bro. I didn't go that route, but instead went hardcore on those fuckers in veg. And came up with a better IPM for both veg and bloom comprared to what I was doing before. So far so good though.
 
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Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Anyone ever try ozone? I've heard it fucks up small insects. Plants don't like it either but they don't breathe much during lights out.
I've got bug issues and its week six of flower. I was thinking ozone might slow the bugs down enough for my plants to improve.
 
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Aeroknow

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Chunky Stool said:
Anyone ever try ozone? I've heard it fucks up small insects. Plants don't like it either but they don't breathe much during lights out.
I've got bug issues and its week six of flower. I was thinking ozone might slow the bugs down enough for my plants to improve.
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What bugs you got?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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SSHZ said:
The tell-tale sign for most mites is the white dots on the leaves from the mites sucking the chlorophyll juice from underneath.....and of course the mites and eggs underneath too.

Hey Grease....your issue looks more like a Cal/mag issue from the taco-ing of the leaves or over heating from the lamps.
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That wasn't my pics man, that was the internet's, under russets.
And that's exactly what it looks like, hopefully you'll never need to deal with them.
I didn't take pics of mine, had bigger things to deal with.. should have though
But it basicly ALL growing tips would shrivle up and turn a weirdish yellow, almost like a sever nitrogen def, or if the plants had three days of darkness (don't ask how I know what that looks like) it tacos up from the plants losing all it's water/juices..
trust me, the infestation I had was monumental.
And you cannot see a damn thing with a naked eye, these things are WAY smaller than reg mites.
But NOTHING compared to these radioactive spider mites that are here in the redwoods.
Believe me, these spider mites are insane, they live through everything.
the russets I had under control in about two weeks, and it was cake compared to these fuckin spider mites.
Maybe I was lucky, but they didn't spread nearly as fast as the reg mites, and didn't come back, I've had 6 runs since, no problems (knock on wood)
 
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Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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Wow.....and I always thought broad mites were the worst.....
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I hope to god I don't have to ever deal with the broad mite too. Both the broad mite and the russet mite are like aids, where the two spotted is like a common cold, IMO
I've been battling the two spotted for a long time. When all we had was neem oil, it was tough. Straight up. Try growing next to strawberry fields in Salinas Ca. Forget about it:-( But nowadays they're easy to eradicate. Unless you get those radioactive ones that @greasemonkeymann speaks of. Those suck! But from my experience, i'd still take those radioactive two spotted mites any day over the russet mite.
I guess it could have been worse though, like getting radioactive russet mites. I think you would have to just stop growing for a while. Fuck
 
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