Russet mites

ok so I'm wanting some info on the russet. Anyone know what the eggs look like? And how hard is it to find the bug its self? Trying to figure out if I have a russet problem or if it's something else. I see clear to milky colored egg looking things on the under side of the leaves, but have never seen a bug. I have sprain with forbid and avid twice with each so a total of four times now. Still seeing these egg like things. Anyone else know what I'm talking about?

pictures may help

The eggs will stay all though they should be dead if they are mite eggs. I doubt that you are seeing the russet or their eggs with the naked eye . You need a micro scope. Avid is the correct stuff forbid is useless.what do your plants look like.

All so giving some aspirin during watering will help the healing process.

http://www.planetnatural.com/pest-problem-solver/houseplant-pests/russet-mite-control/

Mite help.

TWS said:

The eggs will stay all though they should be dead if they are mite eggs. I doubt that you are seeing the russet or their eggs with the naked eye . You need a micro scope. Avid is the correct stuff forbid is useless.what do your plants look like.

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I can't see them with the naked eye. I scoped the underside of the leaf. They look like sever over watering super deficient with tips curling up on sum I'll post pics tomorrow. Thought it was a russet mite problem but I don't know. We have never seen them. We have been told that they are hard to see even with a string scope. And that they only come out at nite. Maybe the bags they are in don't have great drainage and that could be the culprit.

Here are a couple of the ladies I was talking about.

Do you or did you have any "brown" looking powdery substance" on any of your new growth?
I had them last year and cut down my entire grow to nuke em out and do a total cleanse and pyrethrum bomb.
Heres the thread with pics and my remedy that has worked for months and multiple grows.
http://rollitup.org/t/wtf-is-this-need-help-riu.889348/#post-12294270

HydroRed said:

Do you or did you have any "brown" looking powdery substance" on any of your new growth?
I had them last year and cut down my entire grow to nuke em out and do a total cleanse and pyrethrum bomb.
Heres the thread with pics and my remedy that has worked for months and multiple grows.
http://rollitup.org/t/wtf-is-this-need-help-riu.889348/#post-12294270

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No none of the powdery substance at all. Just the egg looking things.

It's just been a slow increase of deficiency. Some tacoing leaves here and there.

Also how long do you think it would take for a plant to get totally infested to the point where you could see it without a scope? We had these things for some time before we started treating them. At least a month.

It took me about a week to notice my infestation got bad. I didnt have the proper scope to see em until it was too late. Honestly, my plant health never really declined.

HydroRed said:

It took me about a week to notice my infestation got bad. I didnt have the proper scope to see em until it was too late. Honestly, my plant health never really declined.

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We noticed some issues in the leaves but it was minore and it was a few weeks that nothing was treated and we were scoping them the whole time never once seeing a bug. I would think that in a few weeks not doing anything about the egg looking things that there would be a total infestation to the point we would be able to see that biege dust like consistency which I know is them in huge amounts.

They shed eggs instinctually when spreayed with neem/pyrethrum etc. Thats why the 3 day follow up is always needed. You may have beat the infestation and are now just seeing the dead "dropped" eggs.

We have been spraying since the 25 th of last month shouldn't we see some drastic improvement by now?

Here's my bug juice recipe (64 oz):
1 oz natural guard insecticidal soap.
1 oz neem oil.
1/2 oz Rid Bugs
H2O
Shake well & apply generously.

Russets require 60x magnification to see them. They are microscopic. If you have an infestation you may see what looks like a rusty dusty mold build up on the top of the leaves. If you see that then you are looking at millions of them, enough of them piled high to be visible as a colony by your naked eye.

They a very difficult pest to treat.
If you are unsure of what to do, cut your plants down and start over. Sterilize the room and start over. I would normally advise someone to fix the problem but your plants are large and there's too many places for them to hide. Nuke the room. Sorry if it's not the answer you want to hear.

WestDenverPioneer said:

Russets require 60x magnification to see them. They are microscopic. If you have an infestation you may see what looks like a rusty dusty mold build up on the top of the leaves. If you see that then you are looking at millions of them, enough of them piled high to be visible as a colony by your naked eye.

They a very difficult pest to treat.
If you are unsure of what to do, cut your plants down and start over. Sterilize the room and start over. I would normally advise someone to fix the problem but your plants are large and there's too many places for them to hide. Nuke the room. Sorry if it's not the answer you want to hear.

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I know they are hard to see I have a scope 60x-100x have been scoping for two months and nothing literally no bugs just egg looking things. That's why I'm so confused.

Your canoeing may be another unrelated issue like RH/temps too high/lights being too close etc. How is the air exchange in your room?
Those "eggs" you are seeing may actually be the mites and not eggs. The mites themselves look cylindrical in shape and are hard to tell color until they accumulate in very large number groups.

As usual with RIU, there is some good and bad info here. But they key is proper identification of the insect, because many available products don't work on all mites or bugs.

Here is a very helpful web site for various products: http://thelandscaperstore.com/page/insecticides

But I'll quickly relay my personal experience....I fought the borg for over 2+ years and used just about EVERY available product in my journey. $100's and $100's and $100's of dollars over the years. Finally though, I found Forbid 4F worked most effectively. You can buy a small amount on Ebay for $20 and it's good for around 5-6 does. A dose per gallon is .5ml to 1.2ml and I accidently used 5ml, 5X to 6X too strong. When I realized it, I sprayed down the plants to dilute what was on the leaves. But it totally wiped out any issues and I haven't seen a mite since. It is also absorbed into the leaves and has a 45 day residual effectiveness which is nice so no additional spraying will be necessary.

Also, always water the plants well a few hours before the spraying. This will reduce the amount of miticide absorbed by the leaves and reduce any chances for leaf damage.