Root rot/root pruning please help

jerimedz

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hello,

I run a rdwc system and ran into alittle root rot I added bleech and it didn't seem like it was helping. I cut the roots 75% and the root growth has been extremely slow. I mean I see some plants showing white roots shooting from the sides and some that have none. It's been about 3-4 weeks and plant growth has been very slow also. I don't see any major deficiencies in the plants just extremely slow growth. Anyone has suggestions? I'm just so confused should I do a full water change and add bennies instead of running sterile? If I flowering like this they almost have no roots I mean the yield will be horrible.. any suggestions anyone have this issue
 

FennarioMike

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Yeah, lets first get the specs on what your plants are getting, so we know how to help you correct it. Also, give us some decent pics of the plants, the roots and your system. I dove into DWC/RDWC at the beginning of the year - and despite my previous hydro experience as well as a solid science background - my entire system got root rot. 8, 5 gallon buckets - then even my EZ Cloner - everything. I battled it for quite a while - lost 2 of the plants and successfully flowered 6 of them.

I'll tell you how I handled it, and why - as well as the realistic pro's and con's and help you weigh what your next step is.

How big, or how old are the plants - and if you needed to scrap them and start fresh, do you have that option? Also, rooting plugs like rockwool or rapid rooters are often the source, if they are too low in the netpot, staying too wet - just putting it out there.

Here's the thing... It's costing resources while these plants are stalled. Water, nutes, power and your hard work are being spent to keep them from declining. It's likely going to take a few weeks to get them back on track and they'll take a beating getting themselves sorted out. In the end, I spent FAR more in resources than I would have if I had started over. In fact, when my plants had finally started growing well again (they were large) I had placed a 3 week old clone in with them and flipped them all at the same time - and the clone pretty much caught up with the ones that I spent a month working on.

Mine were in pretty tough shape. The plants were about 6 weeks old, and pretty large, when the problems started. They were in 5 gallon buckets at the time and I didn't know that I either needed to employ a disinfectant or a beneficial like Hydroguard. I first cut away all dead and dying root material. Anything that pulls away. Then I soaked them with a kitchen sink sprayer and sprayed off everything I could, thoroughly soaking through the netpot. I moved them into the Under Current RDWC, where I had planned to flower them. Here at least I could treat all 6 plants at once instead of dealing with buckets.

To get them to grow roots again, they can't take up nutrients, so they cannibalize themselves, turning yellow as the sugars are sent to build new roots. This is where they'll take a beating.

- Run the plants for a good 4 or 5 days with RO water (or tap if that's what you use) along with a rooting stimulator like Rhizotonic as well as an enzyme to break down the dead matter remaining - like Cannazyme - and I'd highly recommend a chlorine disinfectant like UC Roots. You just mix it to direction and you can't go wrong. If you decide to do beneficials, I'd say switch over after you get this shit killed. Run it like this with the level as high as your plants can take it. I run mine 2" above the base of the netpot - but I don't use rooting plugs. You want the roots all the way up to be bathed in this stuff.
- When you see roots coming out, reintroduce 1/4 nutes for a week. The plants will get all sorts of banged up with deficiencies - but now they have roots to get what they need. Go back up slow.

But let's back up and find out what happened so we can work that in and get it figured out. Sorry you're going through this, but I feel your pain...
 

FennarioMike

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Oh I see - it's an Under Current also. Have you been adding UC Roots every 3 days?

Definitely dump the entire rez when you rinse off the plants. Get all the water out from the bottom of each module and the epicenter. You're going to need to clean and disinfect that system before you put the plants back in. I'd suggest setting them in clean buckets while that's going on. It's a bit of work... All that rez is infected - you need to kill that shit even if you just started over. I ran mine for an hour with pool shock and nuked the crap out of it - I don't know that CC recommends that...

Rinse really, really well. I filled it all the way with tap water, then dumped that at the end just to be sure. The refill with clean, good water.

An issue that I had with mine right away - the aqua pore diffusers in each module hardly put out air at all. I ended up adding another 2 pumps - one just for the aquapore diffusers, another for an additional air stone in each module - leaving the main air pump only for the epicenter diffuser. I think that their "non-pro" model has inadequate air flow to the modules.
 

jerimedz

Member
Yeah, lets first get the specs on what your plants are getting, so we know how to help you correct it. Also, give us some decent pics of the plants, the roots and your system. I dove into DWC/RDWC at the beginning of the year - and despite my previous hydro experience as well as a solid science background - my entire system got root rot. 8, 5 gallon buckets - then even my EZ Cloner - everything. I battled it for quite a while - lost 2 of the plants and successfully flowered 6 of them.

I'll tell you how I handled it, and why - as well as the realistic pro's and con's and help you weigh what your next step is.

How big, or how old are the plants - and if you needed to scrap them and start fresh, do you have that option? Also, rooting plugs like rockwool or rapid rooters are often the source, if they are too low in the netpot, staying too wet - just putting it out there.

Here's the thing... It's costing resources while these plants are stalled. Water, nutes, power and your hard work are being spent to keep them from declining. It's likely going to take a few weeks to get them back on track and they'll take a beating getting themselves sorted out. In the end, I spent FAR more in resources than I would have if I had started over. In fact, when my plants had finally started growing well again (they were large) I had placed a 3 week old clone in with them and flipped them all at the same time - and the clone pretty much caught up with the ones that I spent a month working on.

Mine were in pretty tough shape. The plants were about 6 weeks old, and pretty large, when the problems started. They were in 5 gallon buckets at the time and I didn't know that I either needed to employ a disinfectant or a beneficial like Hydroguard. I first cut away all dead and dying root material. Anything that pulls away. Then I soaked them with a kitchen sink sprayer and sprayed off everything I could, thoroughly soaking through the netpot. I moved them into the Under Current RDWC, where I had planned to flower them. Here at least I could treat all 6 plants at once instead of dealing with buckets.

To get them to grow roots again, they can't take up nutrients, so they cannibalize themselves, turning yellow as the sugars are sent to build new roots. This is where they'll take a beating.

- Run the plants for a good 4 or 5 days with RO water (or tap if that's what you use) along with a rooting stimulator like Rhizotonic as well as an enzyme to break down the dead matter remaining - like Cannazyme - and I'd highly recommend a chlorine disinfectant like UC Roots. You just mix it to direction and you can't go wrong. If you decide to do beneficials, I'd say switch over after you get this shit killed. Run it like this with the level as high as your plants can take it. I run mine 2" above the base of the netpot - but I don't use rooting plugs. You want the roots all the way up to be bathed in this stuff.
- When you see roots coming out, reintroduce 1/4 nutes for a week. The plants will get all sorts of banged up with deficiencies - but now they have roots to get what they need. Go back up slow.

But let's back up and find out what happened so we can work that in and get it figured out. Sorry you're going through this, but I feel your pain...
This is my 3rd run with RDWC, my first two were great this one is killing me.. I thought about starting all over, but I have spend way too much time with these plants. I can't take pics now, but here's one from my web cam. I have been treating them with bleach 1/2 ML to the gallon and I keep doing full water changes, I see white roots busting from the sides, but they don't seem like they are extending down to the water and growing like they are supposed to. Did I cut to much root off? I thought about taking clones and just flowering them like this and seeing what I get? I just don't want to throw all this work away. I also thought about taking clones cutting/trimming the plants down so that the root mass can catch up to the top growth. It seems they are trying to supply with nuts and not focusing on growing roots.
 

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jerimedz

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Oh I see - it's an Under Current also. Have you been adding UC Roots every 3 days?

Definitely dump the entire rez when you rinse off the plants. Get all the water out from the bottom of each module and the epicenter. You're going to need to clean and disinfect that system before you put the plants back in. I'd suggest setting them in clean buckets while that's going on. It's a bit of work... All that rez is infected - you need to kill that shit even if you just started over. I ran mine for an hour with pool shock and nuked the crap out of it - I don't know that CC recommends that...

Rinse really, really well. I filled it all the way with tap water, then dumped that at the end just to be sure. The refill with clean, good water.

An issue that I had with mine right away - the aqua pore diffusers in each module hardly put out air at all. I ended up adding another 2 pumps - one just for the aquapore diffusers, another for an additional air stone in each module - leaving the main air pump only for the epicenter diffuser. I think that their "non-pro" model has inadequate air flow to the modules.
I had been adding uc roots, my ph has been stable over all never spiked or jumped. I stopped to treat with bleach. The water doesn't smell bad.
 

Twerkle

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Oh man, Do NOT add bleach?!?!

you need to brew some EWC tea asap, use the Hiesenburg Tut.

Sterile rezs are a hoax. Don't use UC Roots with the tea (don't use it at all, ever actually).
 
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