Root Hormones + Seedlings?
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GreenphoeniX
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It's not strictly for cuttings, but giving it to a plant that already has roots is pretty much pointless, it stimulates root formation (not root growth, but root formation). If the roots are already there, well then the plant is already putting out root development and growth hormones, so the rooting gel/powder/liquid it doesn't need.
If you want to encourage a healthy root ball, add kelp to your feeding routine (you can usually buy some form of kelp/seaweed extract from you local garden centre), use good soil, and if you can, warm the bottom of your pots - You can do this by simply putting them in the hot water cupboard with a fluro/CFL over them or by using a heating pad/mat ... However be careful with the heating pad, if you live in a warm climate you probably won't need it in summer, and even in winter put it on a timer so it comes ON for 30 MINS, then off for 30-45 MINS, then ON for 30 etc etc. so it doesn't get TOO hot and fry ur seedlings (most devastating with young seedlings - freshly germinated). My heating pad sits 10-12 degrees Celsius above ambient room temperature, so I have it on that timer setting and it works AWESOME! haha. Also be warned that because your soil is slightly warmer than usual, it will dry out quicker, so monitor moisture levels a little more closely at first until you get a better idea of how often the plants will need watering.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
If you want to encourage a healthy root ball, add kelp to your feeding routine (you can usually buy some form of kelp/seaweed extract from you local garden centre), use good soil, and if you can, warm the bottom of your pots - You can do this by simply putting them in the hot water cupboard with a fluro/CFL over them or by using a heating pad/mat ... However be careful with the heating pad, if you live in a warm climate you probably won't need it in summer, and even in winter put it on a timer so it comes ON for 30 MINS, then off for 30-45 MINS, then ON for 30 etc etc. so it doesn't get TOO hot and fry ur seedlings (most devastating with young seedlings - freshly germinated). My heating pad sits 10-12 degrees Celsius above ambient room temperature, so I have it on that timer setting and it works AWESOME! haha. Also be warned that because your soil is slightly warmer than usual, it will dry out quicker, so monitor moisture levels a little more closely at first until you get a better idea of how often the plants will need watering.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
well thanks anyway green
david6767
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best to soak use a rooting stimulant - best are canna rhizotonic and Root juice.
use at 4ml/L for young seedlings and increase to 6 ml/L as they increase in size. At 3 1/2'' they will be fine for 6ml/L.
Also use 1 drop/L of superthrive for whole of veg period. (vitamin B1).
Would also recommendd using cannazym at 2.5ml/L.
peace
use at 4ml/L for young seedlings and increase to 6 ml/L as they increase in size. At 3 1/2'' they will be fine for 6ml/L.
Also use 1 drop/L of superthrive for whole of veg period. (vitamin B1).
Would also recommendd using cannazym at 2.5ml/L.
peace
TODDMCATEER
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i just started some wlr master kush. would it be advisable to do them from the start in 12/12?
david6767
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no it does not matter - the more help they get the better the result, even ganja grown outside loves to be fed extra nutes.
but keep an eye out for bugs - the shifty little fuckers.lol.
GreenphoeniX
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I don't recommend Superthrive - I used it for years and it does nothing that kelp/seaweed extract (with kelp in it) won't do, i.e they both have vitamins, minerals and growth hormones (except kelp/seaweed is organic and better for you, your plants and your soil).
Also, I (personally) don't have a high opinion of root stimulants, they're there because people will buy them thinking they'll rapidly improve their plants, but all it does is make some nob in an office rich. If MJ can grow 12 foot and strong enough for kids to climb by itself, why does it need a root stimulant? lol ... Feel free to use it, I recommend getting two identical clones, using it on one, bt not the other, and then compare their growth etc. I'd be very surprised if you saw a difference in the final product ... However, if you do, let me know!
Also, I (personally) don't have a high opinion of root stimulants, they're there because people will buy them thinking they'll rapidly improve their plants, but all it does is make some nob in an office rich. If MJ can grow 12 foot and strong enough for kids to climb by itself, why does it need a root stimulant? lol ... Feel free to use it, I recommend getting two identical clones, using it on one, bt not the other, and then compare their growth etc. I'd be very surprised if you saw a difference in the final product ... However, if you do, let me know!
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GreenphoeniX
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Yea organic kicks ass! haha. And also while I remember to say; kelp builds up ur plants immunity to sap sucking insects (e.g aphids, thrips, mites) so u have less problems with infestations, considering you get about 4-5 times more kelp than Superthrive for the same price, and kelp helps prevent insects attacking your plants as well as do everything superthrive does AND is organic, I really can't see why people bother with superthrive (Well, I used to use it 
but then I discovered KELP!!! Whohoo!)
but then I discovered KELP!!! Whohoo!)
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david6767
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well, your wrong. Or you are not using the products correctly.
superthrive did not win the only science and industry gold for such products in this field since 1940.
superthrive is not a fertilizer,but contains over 50 different hormones and vitamins - but MUST be used with a good fertilizing regime.
it is allso 100% organic.
As for rooting stimulants, rhizotonic is also 100% organic.
It is also made from seawed and algae such as kelp, and is specifically made to increase the plants resistance to pests and diseases.
the whole idea of using it is to produce a root zone comparable to a plant grown outside that your kids climb on (!
) but in half the time or less.the difference between a plant grown with rooting juice and one that isn't is vast, end of.
GreenphoeniX
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Hey Dave. Didn't no bout the rhizotonic stuff specifically (can't get it in my country).
How do you know superthrive is 100% organic? It has absolutely no source for what ingredients are in it, not on it, not on the website, not in the customer services department, they simply refuse to let anyone no what's actually in it, so not sure how you KNOW it's 100% organic. But I'm just saying it's a rip off for what little it does... And I don't see how it can be used incorrectly, unless someone tried pouring the whole bottle straight on hahaha. People should also be aware that a study was done (i think in the 90's) that found that the B vitamin group (which a lot of fertilizer companies advertise that THEIR fertilizers have in them!) are actually useless as an added vitamin, sure the plant needs it, but the plant can't actually do anything with it (as an external substance) using it's roots, stems or leaves, the plant can only utilize what it creates itself within itself.
Anyway, in my little side by side grow experiments over the years it, and many other 'must have' additives have never improved my final product to a point that it's actually worth spending that extra money on the additive.
If you show me a side by side grow, with all the variables taken care of as well as is possible, and you use ST on one, Rhizotonic on one, combination of the two on another and have a control plant, and show me that there's a huge difference, then I will specifically import Rhizo from America or somewhere and start using my ST again. Until I see that evidence, I'll stick with what I've personally experienced as my guide.
Maybe my growroom isn't the right environment for these products to work to their full potential?
Cheers guys and girls!
P.S - Looked up that Rhizotonic stuff and all it appears to be a form of seaweed extract/fish emulsion with kelp in it - So haze, we both agree that that stuff would be beneficial, but there are many brands of these very similar products available, shopping around is always a good idea.
How do you know superthrive is 100% organic? It has absolutely no source for what ingredients are in it, not on it, not on the website, not in the customer services department, they simply refuse to let anyone no what's actually in it, so not sure how you KNOW it's 100% organic. But I'm just saying it's a rip off for what little it does... And I don't see how it can be used incorrectly, unless someone tried pouring the whole bottle straight on hahaha. People should also be aware that a study was done (i think in the 90's) that found that the B vitamin group (which a lot of fertilizer companies advertise that THEIR fertilizers have in them!) are actually useless as an added vitamin, sure the plant needs it, but the plant can't actually do anything with it (as an external substance) using it's roots, stems or leaves, the plant can only utilize what it creates itself within itself.
Anyway, in my little side by side grow experiments over the years it, and many other 'must have' additives have never improved my final product to a point that it's actually worth spending that extra money on the additive.
If you show me a side by side grow, with all the variables taken care of as well as is possible, and you use ST on one, Rhizotonic on one, combination of the two on another and have a control plant, and show me that there's a huge difference, then I will specifically import Rhizo from America or somewhere and start using my ST again. Until I see that evidence, I'll stick with what I've personally experienced as my guide.
Maybe my growroom isn't the right environment for these products to work to their full potential?
Cheers guys and girls!
P.S - Looked up that Rhizotonic stuff and all it appears to be a form of seaweed extract/fish emulsion with kelp in it - So haze, we both agree that that stuff would be beneficial, but there are many brands of these very similar products available, shopping around is always a good idea.
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david6767
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biggest mistakes made with superthrive are using too much and using during the flowering period, strictly for veg only.
As for rhizotonic it is perfect for my needs. As a sea of green grower it is not uncommon for my plants to only be in the veg stage for, in some cases, as little as 2-3 weeks - esp. for sativa.
During that period I require the plant to grow as large a root ball as possible before I put on to pre-flower. To date rhizotonic has never let me down in all the years Iv'e been using it.
personally I also use superthrive at 1 drop/L and rhizo at 1ml/L to water my seeds when encouraging them to sprout. Usually have a 100% germination rate.
But hey dude, each to their own. 100s of ways to grow ganja - none of them are written in stone my friend, as you no doubt appreciate.
love and peace
As for rhizotonic it is perfect for my needs. As a sea of green grower it is not uncommon for my plants to only be in the veg stage for, in some cases, as little as 2-3 weeks - esp. for sativa.
During that period I require the plant to grow as large a root ball as possible before I put on to pre-flower. To date rhizotonic has never let me down in all the years Iv'e been using it.
personally I also use superthrive at 1 drop/L and rhizo at 1ml/L to water my seeds when encouraging them to sprout. Usually have a 100% germination rate.
But hey dude, each to their own. 100s of ways to grow ganja - none of them are written in stone my friend, as you no doubt appreciate.
love and peace
GreenphoeniX
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Yea mate. From what I read, that Rhizo stuff is basically a slight variation of the stuff I use so more power to it! haha.
And I'm glad to hear someone mention the word Sativa, I'm getting really sick of these Indica dominant Skunk hybrids everywhere! Yes they flower quickly, yes they put out a good weight, yes they're potent, but I've never found one that can beat the buzz of a high quality Sativa!
Germinating seeds I use straight water (with the chlorine burnt off) and jst stick them in the hot water cupboard, germinate in 24-48 hours, healthy as, 99% germination rate, stick under a fluro. (Usually the seeds that dont germ are the ones that I get from mates that don't look viable to start with but I try them anyway, out of about 12 seeds like that I've got 1 strain worth keeping hahaha, good thing I buy direct or breed my own!)
Anyway, back to haze's thread. Anymore questions we can help with? ... Or argue about?
jokes
Cheers.
And I'm glad to hear someone mention the word Sativa, I'm getting really sick of these Indica dominant Skunk hybrids everywhere! Yes they flower quickly, yes they put out a good weight, yes they're potent, but I've never found one that can beat the buzz of a high quality Sativa!
Germinating seeds I use straight water (with the chlorine burnt off) and jst stick them in the hot water cupboard, germinate in 24-48 hours, healthy as, 99% germination rate, stick under a fluro. (Usually the seeds that dont germ are the ones that I get from mates that don't look viable to start with but I try them anyway, out of about 12 seeds like that I've got 1 strain worth keeping hahaha, good thing I buy direct or breed my own!)
Anyway, back to haze's thread. Anymore questions we can help with? ... Or argue about?
jokesCheers.