Root Development vs Plant Growth

nongreenthumb

nongreenthumb

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I think restricting root growth throughout the point up until you want it to bud is great for the plant, i've noticed that the plants are actually preferring it and growing much better, i noticed also that during the first two weeks of flower, having the plants in nothing other than 2 4x4x3 rockwool cubes kept the stretch down really well, they just made solid fresh growth without stretching too badly at all.
 
skunkushybrid

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Wavels said:
Many years ago, out of sheer laziness, I grew out loads of plants in 16 ounce styro cups (soil)....only because I was too lazy to transplant them to larger containers.
Well, other than having to water/feed them much more often than plants in larger containers, they grew fine. If I remember I got 10 to twenty grams out of each of those dwarf plants. I still grow out my "leftover" plants in 16 oz cups, I have even done this outdoors.
16 ounce is the smallest I've ever used.
500 ml is apx 16 ounces, I think!
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Good news. I class 10-20g in soil as 20-40 in hydro. I should be ok. I take it you've never had a problem with the roots uptaking nutes due to being rootbound, then.
 
Wavels

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skunkushybrid said:
I take it you've never had a problem with the roots uptaking nutes due to being rootbound, then.
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You are correct! The plants will grow quite well. I never experienced any difficulties in producing stinky, sticky, potent buds from the tiny containers.
Just proportionately smaller yield.:joint:
 
skunkushybrid

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Wavels said:
Just proportionately smaller yield.:joint:
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It's those proportions that I'm concerned about. What exactly is the most you could yield per plant, with an excellent set-up (as mine is more make do, than professional), in a 500ml container from clone after a normal veg' period?

I've taken pic's of them today. I'll post them in a minute.
 
skunkushybrid

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As you can see from the pic's I had a slight overnute problem... also the thrips have started to take heavy tolls with the leaves. Personally, I think these plants will do just fine. Still 17 days to go, and i'm sure all they'll do is pack on more weight. They still have 2 nute feeds to go, as I will only flush twice with these smaller pots. Probably only need to flush once, but better to be safe than sorry.
 

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skunkushybrid

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These pic's are very interesting. It seems to me that the roots have started to degrade. There's a couple of things worth noting about this plant. It's been the closest to the lights so far than all the other background plants up till now, and it has been easily bigger than them too...

Is there a point that roots start to degrade? Or is it simply that this plant has been closer to the light?
 

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fdd2blk

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nongreenthumb said:
I think restricting root growth throughout the point up until you want it to bud is great for the plant, i've noticed that the plants are actually preferring it and growing much better, i noticed also that during the first two weeks of flower, having the plants in nothing other than 2 4x4x3 rockwool cubes kept the stretch down really well, they just made solid fresh growth without stretching too badly at all.
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i like this thought. using pot size to reduce stretching.
 
jackinthebox

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damn I just found this thread, and its 35 pages long = (

Well im on page 4 now, might have to break this down into a 4 part read, but i fear by then it will be 50 pages long.

I just saw the first pictures you posted tho skunk, and they look pretty darn good = )

Admiting that I have not read through the whole thing yet, NGT I am interested in the 18/6 vs the 24/0 , Is there a thread with more information on this?
 
jackinthebox

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page 24, im going to have to stop here.

Good information so far. Just curious about somethign however. Skunk is there a plant with a bigger pot in the grow room? To compare growth?
 
skunkushybrid

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jackinthebox said:
page 24, im going to have to stop here.

Good information so far. Just curious about somethign however. Skunk is there a plant with a bigger pot in the grow room? To compare growth?
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Yes, there's a mom plant in there in a 3litre container... but she has around 20 heads, and I haven't taken much care of her. she's almost falling over with the weight of her branches, I've turned her around in the hope she'll make it under her own steam back to upright. if not i'll have to tie her up tomorrow.

I also have limited space in my flower area, so to get the mom from the back would mean a lot of messing around.
 
Your Grandfather

Your Grandfather

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Could it be that the root "knows" that it's functionality is kaput and adjusts accordingly, keeping enough 'viable' in case there is a change.

Maybe this is why some finished plants can be 'brought back' to veg and others can not.

IMHO, I think people should take more specific measurements of the progress, so they have something more solid than their memory_and we are dealing with people who smoke, so you place your own value on their memory :)

Without any metrics, it is like trying to sail a ship from New York to England without a map. I think the results many people get_myself included_are more to do with the plants ability to adapt to the environment we have placed them in.

*These are my opinions and I am probably wrong 8)
 
skunkushybrid

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Yes, I think the plant merely adapts and makes the most out of what it gets.

Not sure on the roots... this isn't something i expected. After the week 6 pic's I was a little worried, and I expected much more root around the outside of the medium at week 7.

The side by side pic's I have taken show a steady progression of root development up until the 7 week flower point. The annoying thing is that i took plants from furthest from the light first.

We all know that roots die, maybe these small pots only house enough root for one grow. I've reasoned before that for cannabis to become a perennial tree it would need an extensive root system.

Maybe this is more of a survival mechanism for the winter. The plant sheds roots towards the end of the flower period, alongside fruit/seed... so it has less root mass for less plant, maybe the plant even survives off the dying root (we know it does when alive) throughout the winter period. I don't believe for one second that cannabis ever considers dying.
 
Wavels

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skunkushybrid said:
What exactly is the most you could yield per plant, with an excellent set-up (as mine is more make do, than professional), in a 500ml container from clone after a normal veg' period?
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No worries skunky....Your plants should fatten up nicely as harvest date approaches!

I have a hunch that you will realize over twenty grams dried bud off of each of your plants.
I think that a reasonable do-able target should be about 28 grams or more off of each of these mini container plants.
I can't tell from the pics how dense your buds are, but they look nice and tight and yummy!

My experience has led me to believe that some strains will do much better (yield wise) in these tiny containers,
Northern Lights and Williams Wonder are the two best yielders I have enjoyed from my little 16 oz cups!
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skunkushybrid

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Thanks wavels... williams wonder is not something I've heard of before, before my time maybe?

I notice you have an old strains from the 70's thread running. I'd love to join in, but I can't. I didn't even start smoking till late 80's early 90's... and then I was too young to know the difference in strains anyway.

Yes the NL comes up over and over again. I think my next grow will be either NL or Hash Plant. I'm going to keep these pots, they seem just right to me.

thankyou, yes the buds are looking nice and tight. they're easily over 3.5 foot now. I haven't measured them since the final stretch, but they still keep growing up.

I have a large set of scales. I'll weigh it wet, then divide by a 5th to estimate dry weight. As by the time it dries some of it will be gone.:mrgreen:
 
Wavels

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skunkushybrid said:
Thanks wavels... williams wonder is not something I've heard of before, before my time maybe?
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Back around '85 or '86 I ordered some seeds from SSSC (Super Sativa Seed Club) thru an ad I noticed in High Times Mag....well once I grew out some of these seeds I quickly came to recognize Williams Wonder as being truly wonderful....very gooey resinous buds which will glue you to the couch if you are not careful!!! Indica dominant which I think has been resurrected recently by Reservoir seeds.


Northern Lights is well worth trying.....tight sweet resinous buds....delicious!
 
tahoe58

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William's Wonder BX#2 A Reservoir Seed Extremely Limited Release The second BX to the William's Wonder Mother,I made these for my own breeding pro...
William's Wonder IX-1 (The first sibling WW incross) Like William's Wonder? This is perfect William's Wonder. Flowertime of 55-65 days,insane yi...


Interesting....I like to learn more about these older strains....although I was smoking in the 70's I certainly didn't have the interest in what it was specifically....now things are different. thanks for shaing that.:blsmoke::blsmoke:

Wavels said:
Back around '85 or '86 I ordered some seeds from SSSC (Super Sativa Seed Club) thru an ad I noticed in High Times Mag....well once I grew out some of these seeds I quickly came to recognize Williams Wonder as being truly wonderful....very gooey resinous buds which will glue you to the couch if you are not careful!!! Indica dominant which I think has been resurrected recently by Reservoir seeds.


Northern Lights is well worth trying.....tight sweet resinous buds....delicious!
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