Ron Paul Revolution

7xstall

7xstall

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yet again, we were subjected to a staged "debate" / commercial for the 3 establishment media nominees for the Republican race.

as i watched i found myself on the edge of my seat as Dr. Paul was ignored until after the 3 stooges (romney, mccain, julia) had answered 3 questions each. i really did keep track of it!

he was finally asked a question about some BS scenario and while he answered you could hear julia snickering and laughing in the background.

the next question started off about the IRS but the guy asking the question threw in all kinds of other stuff about Ron Paul's call to end many of the other wasteful agencies so it was hard to even know what the question really was.. Dr. Paul stayed the course and again you could hear the noise and whispers of the others in the background.

given the enthusiasm in the crowd, and the text poll results, i still think there is a chance for a bloodless revolution.

worth pointing out is that neo-con slag sean hannity (i've written him off completely at this point), dismissed the text results as nothing more than repeated votes by the same people - though that is not possible.




Hannity Lies To Discredit Ron Paul After Debate






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Kant

Kant

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is it just me or did it seem like the moderator (in the second vid) blatantly called ron paul a al quada supporter?
 
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yeah, it's amazing what sort of ridiculousness goes unchecked as sober warnings and admonitions from these sophists. totally out of control...:evil:
 
medicineman

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7xstall said:
yet again, we were subjected to a staged "debate" / commercial for the 3 establishment media nominees for the Republican race.

as i watched i found myself on the edge of my seat as Dr. Paul was ignored until after the 3 stooges (romney, mccain, julia) had answered 3 questions each. i really did keep track of it!

he was finally asked a question about some BS scenario and while he answered you could hear julia snickering and laughing in the background.

the next question started off about the IRS but the guy asking the question threw in all kinds of other stuff about Ron Paul's call to end many of the other wasteful agencies so it was hard to even know what the question really was.. Dr. Paul stayed the course and again you could hear the noise and whispers of the others in the background.

given the enthusiasm in the crowd, and the text poll results, i still think there is a chance for a bloodless revolution.

worth pointing out is that neo-con slag sean hannity (i've written him off completely at this point), dismissed the text results as nothing more than repeated votes by the same people - though that is not possible.




Hannity Lies To Discredit Ron Paul After Debate






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Wow, you must be a fucking genious, Hannity lies, who'd of thought, maybe some of those other Bozos on Fox lie too. Geeze, before you know it, I'll have you watching Lou Dobbs and Kieth Olberman, ~LOL~.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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Kant said:
is it just me or did it seem like the moderator (in the second vid) blatantly called ron paul a al quada supporter?
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yes, he did, and his twisted accusation was met with squeals of delight by the many blood thirsty war mongers in the crowd - they were quickly shut down with loud boos but the crowd microphones got turned down when the boos got loud. if you watch, you can tell it got loud because Paul responded with a very loud voice (veins were popping out of his head) but it still sounds kind of muted...

tough questions are good but it's a shame that the media takes such an active roll in purposefully, intentionally manipulating what the people perceive during the process of selecting candidates.








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7xstall

7xstall

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medicineman said:
Wow, you must be a fucking genious, Hannity lies, who'd of thought, maybe some of those other Bozos on Fox lie too. Geeze, before you know it, I'll have you watching Lou Dobbs and Kieth Olberman, ~LOL~.
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Lou Dobbs is a very good reporter, calls them like he sees them without trying to act like his opinion is a fact.

it's just disgraceful to see how Hannity has succumbed to stardom and his reputation for fair debate is lost, imo. he insinuates things like this all the time and he's just disrespectful to Dr. Paul. the one candidate that has never wavered, never compromised and truly personifies conservatism the way it's supposed to be.






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Smirgen

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Ron Paul is the only Candidate I can take seriously anymore ,Unlike the other Circus Clown candidates He tells you what he believes whether its popular or not ..and most of his beliefs have remained constant throuought the years as demonstrated by his speeches in years past and his voting record unlike the rest of the Candidates who change their position depending on which way the polls blow.

Another thing I really Like about Paul is that he refrains from "one upping" or trying to embarass the other candidates , He just answers the Fucking Question and lets the other candidates handle embarassing themselves since they dont need any help in that area.:mrgreen:
 
7xstall

7xstall

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gotdamunchies said:
Definetly worth checkin out if you are a Ron Paul supporter, or a "Paulite" as they would like to label people

MySpace.com - Ron Paul 2008 - 72 - Male - Texas - www.myspace.com/ronpaul2008

Still tryin to make up my mind, but he for sure has my ear..........
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he's also on facebook:

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Paul is not a sound bite politician, he doesn't use one liners and rhetoric so it's good to know you're actually listening to his message! too many people don't want to put in the effort to make a good decision.





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7xstall

7xstall

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Smirgen said:
Ron Paul is the only Candidate I can take seriously anymore ,Unlike the other Circus Clown candidates He tells you what he believes whether its popular or not ..and most of his beliefs have remained constant throuought the years as demonstrated by his speeches in years past and his voting record unlike the rest of the Candidates who change their position depending on which way the polls blow.

Another thing I really Like about Paul is that he refrains from "one upping" or trying to embarass the other candidates , He just answers the Fucking Question and lets the other candidates handle embarassing themselves since they dont need any help in that area.:mrgreen:
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that's what makes me respect him so much!

he has had plenty of chances to kick people when they're down, call them on inconsistencies but he always goes forward!! never giving time to the negativity.








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medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
that's what makes me respect him so much!

he has had plenty of chances to kick people when they're down, call them on inconsistencies but he always goes forward!! never giving time to the negativity.








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I too respect his way of debating, and in most areas, I agree with his policies. It's the privatization of all government services where I have a problem with him. History has shown the private sector is interested in only the bottom line and not the quality of services. Example: the private medical system. Profit comes before health care. That's just wrong in every way. HMOs making medical decisions that affect the status of your health instead of Doctors, insane. Doctors having to call an HMO decider to see if you can be treated (And their job is to deny as many claims as possible) Before treatment or lack of, is just plain wrong. There are certain jobs best suited to a government body, and health care is one, no profit. I agree with 90% of his policies though and knowing he'd be lucky to get 10% of his agenda passed, I might vote for him if he prioratized: 1. stopping the fucking insane Iraq war.
2. stopping the war on drugs and initializing treatment centers for the addicts.
3. getting rid of all secret government projects and departments.
4.bring the precepts of the constritution back into play.
5.Repeal all the insane Bush anti constitutional signing statements.
6. make a serious effort to curb foriegn aid and restore fiscal responsibility to government.
7. Realized that getting rid of all government social programs is not feasable.
8.Got rid of the FED and went to a government based monetary system, wiping the national debt off, and causing those bankers to go belly up.
9.Stopped all trade with China.
10. Closed the borders and deported all illegals.
There are plenty more demands I'd like to see met by this trail Blazer, But his total privatization is not workable for me.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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i think Ron Paul is for oversight, that's what the constitution calls for. what we have to stop doing is getting the government involved in the "solution" because they always, always make a mess of it. the government used to be a good tool to provide objective feedback and guidance but they have gone waaaaay out of bounds. they start off with the talking, write some laws, write some laws to fix those laws, before you know it you have to hire teams of lawyers to tell you what you can and can't do and then the home business owner has to let go, the government inherits yet another business that costs more and does less, providing an inferior product. look at government schools, look at the space program, look at anything they run or heavily influence.

i honestly think, med, with the right guidance our health care system can provide new options and more accessibility WITHOUT the government taking over and without cutting corners on the quality of care. it's worked before and we just need to get the scavangers out of the way, that would include corrupt business men and the greedy lawyers. health is what doctors are all about, let them do what they do best.

Ron Paul wouldn't recklessly pull the plug on everything at once, he's consistent on that too. government strongholds (SS, Intel, Depts., etc.) have to be carefully disassembled, corrected and replaced with superior systems. if that means private, great. if not, great. but it has to be fixed from the top down! he's the only one with the balls to confront the issues and you should vote for him if anything on that list is really what you want to see done.






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medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
i think Ron Paul is for oversight, that's what the constitution calls for. what we have to stop doing is getting the government involved in the "solution" because they always, always make a mess of it. the government used to be a good tool to provide objective feedback and guidance but they have gone waaaaay out of bounds. they start off with the talking, write some laws, write some laws to fix those laws, before you know it you have to hire teams of lawyers to tell you what you can and can't do and then the home business owner has to let go, the government inherits yet another business that costs more and does less, providing an inferior product. look at government schools, look at the space program, look at anything they run or heavily influence.

i honestly think, med, with the right guidance our health care system can provide new options and more accessibility WITHOUT the government taking over and without cutting corners on the quality of care. it's worked before and we just need to get the scavangers out of the way, that would include corrupt business men and the greedy lawyers. health is what doctors are all about, let them do what they do best.

Ron Paul wouldn't recklessly pull the plug on everything at once, he's consistent on that too. government strongholds (SS, Intel, Depts., etc.) have to be carefully disassembled, corrected and replaced with superior systems. if that means private, great. if not, great. but it has to be fixed from the top down! he's the only one with the balls to confront the issues and you should vote for him if anything on that list is really what you want to see done.






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Depends on how it shapes up. I'm not throwing my vote away and letting some Bush clone Republican steal the election (Juliani, McCain Etc,). I'm a registered independent so I can vote either way. I'm not sure they'll let me vote in the primaries though as I could vote for either party and potentially screw up someone in the party I disliked, I don't remember if they did last time or not.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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medicineman said:
Depends on how it shapes up. I'm not throwing my vote away and letting some Bush clone Republican steal the election (Juliani, McCain Etc,). I'm a registered independent so I can vote either way. I'm not sure they'll let me vote in the primaries though as I could vote for either party and potentially screw up someone in the party I disliked, I don't remember if they did last time or not.
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if he gets the nomination there won't be any neo-cons in the race. he will represent the republican party and every American who wants a change.






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7xstall

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just got this a little while ago. you can sign up on the campaign website.






September 7, 2007


Has this been a hectic and encouraging time! First we got almost 17% in
the Texas straw poll, an event set-up to represent the establishment,
with very restrictive voting rules. That 17% of the Republican
hierarchy would support our views, after a full day of pro-war propaganda, is
good news. Then we won the more open Maryland Republican straw poll with
28%. In both cases, as usual, hard-working, well-organized volunteers
made all the difference.

The Fox debate was a lot of fun as well. It's true that a few of the
network people are not exactly with us on foreign or domestic policy
(though one famous guy whispered to me that he is a libertarian), but the
audience-with lots of students from the University of New Hampshire-was
definitely fair and balanced, as their enthusiastic reaction showed.

My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons,
more eavesdropping, more presidential power. Some seemed to identify the
government and the people as if they were one entity. But you and I
know that once the government moves beyond its very limited constitutional
mandate, it is an opponent of the people, a rip-off operation that
takes our money and our freedom and our social peace, and gives us a mess
of statist pottage in return.

The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending
trillions. So the answer was supposed to be the giant, socialist
Department of Homeland Security, protecting you and me from taking our
toothpaste on the airplane. I was ridiculed for saying that the airlines,
which know best how to protect their property, should have been allowed to
arm their pilots. But then, you and I really believe in the Second
Amendment. It is not just a political slogan for us.

When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the
Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the
marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching
orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars
that cause us only trouble. This is a mystifying to some, of course, but
not to more and more Americans.

There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as
usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the
income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast
sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is
hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a
future of prosperity for ourselves and our families.

After the debate, many young people gathered around the stage to
discuss our ideas and ask questions about them (and to have me sign their
badges). My colleagues got no such response, and after a few moments,
"security" ordered me off the stage. Can't have any such demonstration of
interest in liberty.

But the young are with us, and so are Americans of every stripe. Even
party officials. When one of my opponent said it was OK to lose
elections through supporting the Iraq war, that set party people's teeth on
edge, and rightly so. The Republican party is shrinking. We need new
people. It's either our ideas or President Hillary, and more and more people
recognize it.

But the media, and everyone else, will be looking at fundraising totals
at the end of this month. They'll judge us by how we do. And we need
help to wage what we hope will be a full-scale, 50-state campaign.
Please help me head into the next quarter fully armed to do battle for
freedom, peace and prosperity. Make your most generous contribution
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/. This Revolution is on the move,
but it very much needs your support.

Sincerely,

Ron






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medicineman

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If it comes down to Paul or Hillary, Paul gets my vote. If it comes down to Paul and Obama or edwards, I might have to think long and hard as Paul would not be for singlepayer medical and that is a real problem I have with him. The candidate that revises the medical system to include every citizen (not illegals) in on "free" medical, (I realize you have to pay with taxes), gets my vote.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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well, i hope you'll really think about that. voting for who gives out the biggest and best goody bag isn't always the right thing to do. it might solve some immediate problems but the consequences given to the next generation are important.

we have a nation of unhealthy slugs who smoke, drink, fuck and TV themselves into diabetes, heart disease, obesity, AIDS and a whole list of other ailments that are completely preventable. it's absolute theft to make me pay for someone else's decisions about their health and if it comes to that i will refuse to pay one cent of my taxes any longer; you will be able to contact me at the Brown's residence!

the system we have is not broken. you said you are a mechanic so what do you do with a clogged up intake? what do you do with a worn out belt? what do you do with a burned out headlight? you sure don't replace the whole car! time to roll our sleeves up and get to work.






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medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
well, i hope you'll really think about that. voting for who gives out the biggest and best goody bag isn't always the right thing to do. it might solve some immediate problems but the consequences given to the next generation are important.

we have a nation of unhealthy slugs who smoke, drink, fuck and TV themselves into diabetes, heart disease, obesity, AIDS and a whole list of other ailments that are completely preventable. it's absolute theft to make me pay for someone else's decisions about their health and if it comes to that i will refuse to pay one cent of my taxes any longer; you will be able to contact me at the Brown's residence!

the system we have is not broken. you said you are a mechanic so what do you do with a clogged up intake? what do you do with a worn out belt? what do you do with a burned out headlight? you sure don't replace the whole car! time to roll our sleeves up and get to work.






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That is your take on universal health care, not mine. I don't believe ones health care should be labeled a goody bag. If you are so intent on not paying "unjust" taxes, why don't you stop paying them over funding the war? Sometimes you just don't make sense. You'd rather pay for an insane war than your poor neighbors healthcare, go figure that. What did a poor person do to you to make you so hateful towards them, fuck your wife, rape your daughter, steal your car. Hey maybe there are some lazy assholes out there, but as a "citizen of this, the wealthiest nation on the planet, I believe every citizen should be afforded tax funded health care. I guess this is an issue we'll not agree on.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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the troops didn't set this whole scenario in motion. if someone packs down an extra krispy kream, that's another story!

people are voluntarily wrecking their own health, it's not my responsibility to pay for it any more than it's my responsibility to overthrow dictators i don't like!

that's what you call consistency.






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