Reveg without any fan leaves?

So, I'm wondering if it's possible to put a plant that's already flowered back into veg without any fan leaves?

Say a plant lost all it's lower fan leaves, and the entire top of the plant was one big, dense bud. Around the lower nodes where the fan leaves are absent, there is some new growth emerging.

Would it be possible to chop the top and put the plant back into 18/6 or 24/0 to encourage the growth around the bottom, even with no fan leaves?

yes, it will put out some pretty fucked up looking leaves for a week or 2 but then it'll start vegging again.

doobnVA said:

So, I'm wondering if it's possible to put a plant that's already flowered back into veg without any fan leaves?

Say a plant lost all it's lower fan leaves, and the entire top of the plant was one big, dense bud. Around the lower nodes where the fan leaves are absent, there is some new growth emerging.

Would it be possible to chop the top and put the plant back into 18/6 or 24/0 to encourage the growth around the bottom, even with no fan leaves?

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Sure, it probably has a 50/50 chance of reverting into veg, but I don't see any point in keeping genetically damaged (from stress) stock.

It's best to take cuttings in veg

Green Cross said:

Sure, it probably has a 50/50 chance of reverting into veg, but I don't see any point in keeping genetically damaged (from stress) stock.

It's best to take cuttings in veg

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take the clones now while flowering, look at the article and pics on this......
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/seeds-clones-strains/56864-what-flowering-clone.html

Green Cross said:

Sure, it probably has a 50/50 chance of reverting into veg, but I don't see any point in keeping genetically damaged (from stress) stock.

It's best to take cuttings in veg

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Well, the bud on top is quite lovely. The fan leaves around the bottom were lost early in the plant's life as a result of an isolated incidence of overwatering.

What about reverting back to veg without chopping the bud?

Maybe you guys didn't understand my question..

I'm not trying to CLONE the plant... I'm asking if I can harvest the top of the plant and then revert what's left back into veg, even with the bottom fan leaves missing?

you need to leave some buds on there for it to work......leave a few popcorn nugs. thought u knew that, sorry, i shoulda mentioned it earlier.

darkdestruction420 said:

you need to leave some buds on there for it to work......leave a few popcorn nugs. thought u knew that, sorry, i shoulda mentioned it earlier.

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Ah, so I leave buds... I thought I needed to leave fan leaves?

There's some little sprouts around the lower nodes... could be popcorn buds starting to form, or it could be secondary fan leaves from my failed attempt at LST on this plant. Not really sure. I've still got about 4 weeks left of flowering, so maybe by the time I'm ready to chop her down they'll have grown a bit more.

Thanks everyone =)

darkdestruction420 said:

take the clones now while flowering, look at the article and pics on this......
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/seeds-clones-strains/56864-what-flowering-clone.html

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It's good to hear some aren't experiencing much "genetic degradation" revegging", but it is a documented fact that genetic degradation occurs, and that post is hearsay. The poster is talking about someone he knows who said...whatever.

I have some SJ short blue moonshine clones - that I took in flower - hopefully they yield as much as they did the first time, but I won't be taking clones in flower again, or revegging any mothers.

It's bad advice, but you can see how folks run with it

Well, 50/50 is a good enough chance for me. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right? I'm waiting until it's ready to harvest anyway, so it's not like I'll really lose anything if it doesn't work. I'd like to see this plant have a second chance. It was my first try at growing and actually turned out pretty well, considering I made virtually every mistake new growers make (despite desperately trying to avoid them, lol). Seriously dense buddage going on, and I wish I had let the damned thing veg for longer in the first place but I was so anxious to sex the plants..


Oh well, live and learn.

I just reveged two OPIUM plants and only one made it,Its been about three weeks and I have seven nice shoots.I plan on cloning for a mother and yes I know this a fucked up way to do it ,If it hermies Ill toss it ,but I cant get Opium to hermie even changing the light regiment back and forth

yes it will work.......But it's a big waste of fucking time.it takes about 3 ,4 weeks for it to do it's thing..........fuck i could grow a plant foot tall before yours reverts back..........
waste of time dude!!!!!!

MyGTO2007 said:

yes it will work.......But it's a big waste of fucking time.it takes about 3 ,4 weeks for it to do it's thing..........fuck i could grow a plant foot tall before yours reverts back..........
waste of time dude!!!!!!

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The main reason I want to reveg this particular plant is I don't have any more of those seeds and it's a really nice looking plant =(

I guess I could suck it up and order some killer ones online.

I'm gonna give it a shot at reveg, anyway. I've got two other batches of plants going, too, so even if it doesn't work it's only wasting space - not time.

i've given out too much rep, but as soon as I can give out more I'll + you all.

Thanks again!

hey there,

I attempted to re-grow my plant i didnt want to see it go to waste, so when it was harvest time i carefully picked all the good stuff, leaving as many leaves as i could, i planted it outdoors in a special place, and it took 3 weeks before any sign of growth, (not great conditions plus getting over stress) as its not getting above 12 hours of light (end of summer) so its starting to bud only at the bottom popcorn buds, so my opinion is this, its time consuming it takes a few weeks to get over the shock, then it will start so i wouldnt attempt to re-grow and waste money (lighting nutes ect) but if its out doors its definatly worth a shot and its not going to waste, and your getting a great plant back in the wild, and it is quite intresting to see how it turns out.

b00linib said:

hey there,

I attempted to re-grow my plant i didnt want to see it go to waste, so when it was harvest time i carefully picked all the good stuff, leaving as many leaves as i could, i planted it outdoors in a special place, and it took 3 weeks before any sign of growth, (not great conditions plus getting over stress) as its not getting above 12 hours of light (end of summer) so its starting to bud only at the bottom popcorn buds, so my opinion is this, its time consuming it takes a few weeks to get over the shock, then it will start so i wouldnt attempt to re-grow and waste money (lighting nutes ect) but if its out doors its definatly worth a shot and its not going to waste, and your getting a great plant back in the wild, and it is quite intresting to see how it turns out.

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That's bc it's only really worth your time when you put a LOT of time and effort into training them. When you use a method that creates a VERY strong feed system (roots and lower stalk that splits), you'll be able to revert and gain something that you'll never get from a clipping or seed... a resilient system that will only get stronger and more efficient.

Remember... you chop the top, but many of us forget there's a completely different but equally important part under the medium. In my opinion you really need to determine what you aim to do, then assess your gain or loss. Either way, you'll be able to potentially build a stronger root system, and if you use bacteria like Hydroguard... one that is already "cleaned" from contamination of other root systems and other bacteria.

Another thing to consider is that the stronger and wider "feed" branches will actually produce more chutes since it can hold more weight And process/move more internal nutes. The vascular system on the lower part that was untouched can move the food much easier. Plants do this daily, so better vascular system equals better production. Mix that and the better root system and you have a potential for more feeding and better yields. This is partially from experience and partially from education on the subject. Just thought I'd mention, even though This is an old post. Some ppl may find it helpful.

Whatever you do, assess the situation first. Yes you have to wait 3 weeks for regrowth, but if you plan on perpetual grows it kills the agony of dealing with multiple size plants at different stages. If you are set up for clone and grow, then it may be best to stick with that method. It takes up more room but imo It's FAR easier to just switch a group of plants between two sets of lights than having to go through the constant repotting and caretaking of the smaller, more sensitive plants.

I feel if you put the time in to create a good soil environment, it's best to consider it as a separate symbiotic living thing that you "reveg" together. There's situations that it may not be best, but in most cases the benefits outweigh the disadvantages (referring completely to indoor perpetual applications).

Glad you bumped this topic up a little (relativity) recently.
I've had the same experience. The root system is what's key. I have two mother plants of different strains that I've revegged three times - and their clones twice. I did SCroG and had a large enough harvest I still have about 80 grams left from the first and about 100 each from the subsequent harvests. I kept them deliberately. I've let all my best friends try and tell the difference between any of the harvests and their success is basically 50/50.

Now add to that that each time I revegged I left - at most - two or three small buds on the skeletons. Most were completely bare. I didn't do that to see how bad I could handicap the experiment, I just didn't know better till recently

Anyway, a consistent feeding schedule, lighting schedule and repotting once they're well into the reveg has made every one successful.

Since there's so much anecdotal talk about this I thought I'd throw in my direct knowledge of what does work. And I do have pictures of the whole process if anyone wants proof.
I'm not saying anyone should cut all the green off on purpose when revegging, I'm just saying I did and there is no genetic degradation in terms of either quality or quantity in any plant I've done this with.