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Landmark

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Wu wei (simplified Chinese: 无为; traditional Chinese: 無爲; pinyin: wúwéi, variantly written in Chinese: 無為) is an important concept of Taoism (Daoism), that involves knowing when to act and when not to act. Another perspective to this is that "Wu Wei" means natural action - as planets revolve around the sun, they "do" this revolving, but without "doing" it; or as trees grow, they "do", but without "doing". Thus knowing when (and how) to act is not knowledge in the sense that one would think "now" is the right time to do "this", but rather just doing it, doing the natural thing.
Wu may be translated as not have or without; Wei may be translated as do, act, serve as, govern or effort. The literal meaning of Wu Wei is "without action", "without effort", or "without control", and is often included in the paradox wei wu wei: "action without action" or "effortless doing". The practice of wu wei and the efficacy of wei wu wei are fundamental tenets in Chinese thought and have been mostly emphasized by the Taoist school. The aim of wu wei is to achieve a state of perfect equilibrium, or alignment with the Tao, and, as a result, obtain an irresistible form of "soft and invisible" power.
There is another less commonly referenced sense of wu wei; "action that does not involve struggle or excessive effort". In this instance, Wu means "without" and Wei means "effort". The concept of "effortless action" is a part of Taoist Internal martial arts such as T'ai chi ch'uan, Baguazhang and Xing Yi. It follows that Wu wei complies with the main feature and distinguishing characteristic of Taoism, that of being natural. To apply wu wei to any situation is to take natural action.
When the concept is in operation, isnt it just another idea (ideal) to live up to (into), this is a trap I experience often. Can the idea(l) come to an end?
 

eye exaggerate

Well-Known Member
When the concept is in operation, isnt it just another idea (ideal) to live up to (into), this is a trap I experience often. Can the idea(l) come to an end?
...precisely the opposite is true, no? May as well ask if we can come to a beginning.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Sir or Maam, I am not interested in what your after. I am not here to provide you with more wise beautiful information, insight. I am here to discover, together. You want the description, when the fact is there for you to see. You are not willing to look, for yourself, maybe one has not explored that as a possibility? If information is what your after please pass over this thread, it will be of no use to you
Without information, there is no learning.
Without consensus on terminology, there is no communication.
Without signal, there is only noise.
Your persistence in semantic mirage, concealment, fan dancing ... means that after the fire assay is performed, no value is left behind in the crucible of conversation. None. cn
 

Landmark

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...precisely the opposite is true, no? May as well ask if we can come to a beginning.
I would not ask for another idea(l) to begin, however, i have reservations that is what you are saying. Actually, to be one with whats so i would not ask for an ending, or a beginning, is that what is being pointed to?
 

Landmark

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Without information, there is no learning.
Without consensus on terminology, there is no communication.
Without signal, there is only noise.
Your persistence in semantic mirage, concealment, fan dancing ... means that after the fire assay is performed, no value is left behind in the crucible of conversation. None. cn
Nice insights, anything else?
Your very smart, you know that, yes?
 

Landmark

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You appear to be beyond reason.
Do you even see the irony in your choice of site name? cn
Firstly, I want to apologize for being a jerk in the last post. It was uncalled for and has nothing to do with being related. There was frustration.

Respectfully, yes I am being absolutely unreasonable. It is not a reasonable question

I cannot give you what your asking for, for us to meet in a totally new way i must come from not knowing what that looks like, so for me to give you an answer would end that possibility.

From your view, yes I can see how you would consider it ironic.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Firstly, I want to apologize for being a jerk in the last post. It was uncalled for and has nothing to do with being related. There was frustration.

Respectfully, yes I am being absolutely unreasonable. It is not a reasonable question

I cannot give you what your asking for, for us to meet in a totally new way i must come from not knowing what that looks like, so for me to give you an answer would end that possibility.

From your view, yes I can see how you would consider it ironic.
You surprise me, Landmark ... and you disarm me. That was a post that was as gracious as the previous one felt ungracious.

I am a creature who greatly values reason. I am also intensely verbal, and I take an engineer's or attorney's attitude toward words. They are things of great power and even beauty, but like any awesome tool andor weapon, handling them correctly takes both skill and restraint. (imo)
So my Step Zero, my default start point, is: when ambiguity exists - limit it, encircle it, remove it. Defining one's terms is to me as natural, and as necessary, as breathing. I tend to become impatient with vagueness, especially where I (rightly or wrongly) perceive it as an effort to simulate sagacity. It is my experience that the better poets are actually quite precise, ordered and careful with how they use words ... the most evocative imagery is woven onto a core of remarkably plain talk.

If I select the meaning "come to a consensus" for "meet" (and I am loath to do so because I do not wish to limit your intent without your active approval), I imagine this will be difficult for us because we have such different methods and, I imagine, aesthetic/cognitive sensibilities. I prefer conic sections to koans.

That said/confessed/proclaimed, I will do my very best to respect your way ... and I do not dismiss/reject the possibility that we can indeed communicate effectively, and in an entirely new way perhaps to each/both of us. It would be a boon and a favor though if, in the spirit of the opening post, you'd meet me halfway.
cn
 

stillfree

Active Member
landmark big ups brotha! much raspect for yuh seeing than just looking some of us just will never know... its ok thought like yuh said i am not scard to stand alone and sad to say but people like InI will most of time b standing alone... all we can do is give what we know and hope someday this world will break away from there chains that hold em down... not here to fight with anyone so plz hold back the hating yuh have ur thought and i have mine its those who judge who have no time to love
 

Landmark

Member
You surprise me, Landmark ... and you disarm me. That was a post that was as gracious as the previous one felt ungracious.

I am a creature who greatly values reason. I am also intensely verbal, and I take an engineer's or attorney's attitude toward words. They are things of great power and even beauty, but like any awesome tool andor weapon, handling them correctly takes both skill and restraint. (imo)
So my Step Zero, my default start point, is: when ambiguity exists - limit it, encircle it, remove it. Defining one's terms is to me as natural, and as necessary, as breathing. I tend to become impatient with vagueness, especially where I (rightly or wrongly) perceive it as an effort to simulate sagacity. It is my experience that the better poets are actually quite precise, ordered and careful with how they use words ... the most evocative imagery is woven onto a core of remarkably plain talk.

If I select the meaning "come to a consensus" for "meet" (and I am loath to do so because I do not wish to limit your intent without your active approval), I imagine this will be difficult for us because we have such different methods and, I imagine, aesthetic/cognitive sensibilities. I prefer conic sections to koans.

That said/confessed/proclaimed, I will do my very best to respect your way ... and I do not dismiss/reject the possibility that we can indeed communicate effectively, and in an entirely new way perhaps to each/both of us. It would be a boon and a favor though if, in the spirit of the opening post, you'd meet me halfway.
cn
Sir, you are communicating very clearly, there is appreciation. Can you see how images, the ones we have of ourselves, and others, is a limiting factor in meeting in a totally new way? Images are not new, they are constructs of the past. So being of the past, there is no relationship in the present. So when an image is operating, memory, one could say it is a sort of 'dead' thing operating. (i used the word dead as a sort of highlighter) We as human beings are continually creating images, I am a Dr, Lawyer, Engineer, Intellectual, positive person, sad person, the whole history of 'myself'. Sir can all that come to a complete end?
 

Landmark

Member
landmark big ups brotha! much raspect for yuh seeing than just looking some of us just will never know... its ok thought like yuh said i am not scard to stand alone and sad to say but people like InI will most of time b standing alone... all we can do is give what we know and hope someday this world will break away from there chains that hold em down... not here to fight with anyone so plz hold back the hating yuh have ur thought and i have mine its those who judge who have no time to love
Thank you for stopping by.
 
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