red/purple stems droopy leaves help!!

Discussion in 'Marijuana Plant Problems' started by akslipped, Feb 10, 2010.

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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    help!!!1
    2 30-40 gal rubbermad tubs hydroton and rockwool dwc with 6 air stones tottal
    normal temp 74-76
    humity around 35-44 percent
    using pure blend pro 3-2-4
    using around 1/3rd recomended for seedlings
    week 3?? day 1
    added water earlier today above bottum of basket... i know dumb... also watered 1 plant that was dry.....
    Week 3??? day 2 4.30 am
    leaves are droopy and purple stems.. temp 75 degrees added water earlier today above bottum of basket... i know dumb... also the plant i watered is the worste... not sure everything else because i actually didnt start the journal this day is just the beggining of my problems.. day 3 is the day i started my journal
    week 3 day 5. 12.01 pm
    leaves on most plants ok except the one i watered... ph a little high added mad farmer get down ph down.. using chimicles it was yellow which is..6.0
    week 3 day 5 4am
    leaves on most plants droopy again!!! and stems purple!!!
    sorry no digi.. ill try and invest in 1 asap
    Hydro Growers:
    1. Are you growing from seed or clones?seeds and 2 clones.. clones dont seem to be effected as bad also another clue.. there roots arent in the water yet the rest are...
    2. How old are your plants? 3weeks from seeds.. the clones not sure.. around the same size..
    3. How tall are your plants?4-9 inches averaging prob 7 inches.. bu ti did do some lst and bending super crop style
    4. What type of hydro system are you using?dwc
    5. What brand/type of nutrients are you using?pure blend pro
    6. What is the Ph of your nutrient solution?6.0
    7. What is the PPM/EC of your tap water?n/a
    8. What is the PPM/EC of your nutrient solution?pretty sure it was between 0-100 the dipstick said ..
    9. What is the temperature of your nutrient solution?64-68
    10. Does your PPM/EC show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?n/a.. dont check stays inbetween 0-100 on dipstick
    11. Does your pH show a rise or fall when you do your daily check?rises daily
    12. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?i did last night with epson salt plants looked a little better in the mourning but they did the last time and i didnt spray them...
    13. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights"),mh and 7 cfls 3 cools 26watts 4 warms 23watts
    14. How close are your lights to the plants? 22 inches and the florcents like 2-5 inches
    15. What size is your grow space in square feet?around 25 sq feet a open closet mainly
    16. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space? 74-76 light on.. 67-71 light on
    17. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?none
    18. How much experience do you have growing?3rd grow.. 1 cfl grow that got me a little bit of bud.. not allot.. and 1 1000 watt grow that burned up the plants and i had to leave state.. so that didn't go well but i read allot
    help them some o yeah and the leaves are healthy looking green kinda dark on some others seem almost light with dark green on the stem of the leave and the little lines..... but curled and stems really purple ...
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    i added more fert than normal to a fresh batch and damn near imediatly drooped worst.. this is 8 hours after
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    BeefSupreme

    BeefSupreme Active Member

    loooks like they could use some more light. What is your ventilation like? that can usually cause them to wilt too
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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    got 3 fans going 4 sometimes and its diff not the light if you read what my lighting was.. lol i got 400 watt mh and like 8 cfls on it
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    SeriousSmoker

    SeriousSmoker Well-Known Member

    salt build up clean water is the solution braheim
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    Whey2Sly

    Whey2Sly Member

    U need a shot of sum fresh air,,
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    ClosetFather

    ClosetFather Well-Known Member

    u might need some cal mag
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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    well i changed my rez with less than normal nutes and then they looked good i closed bedroom door and they went down.. but theyve went down with the door was open.. so wtf is it!!#@$_@$+_9 its driving me nuts!!!
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    smallclosetgrowr

    smallclosetgrowr Well-Known Member

    they dont even look that bad i wouldnt stress , althought that yellowing on the bottom leaves is either nitro deffiency or to much nutes , or not enuff light reaching them"which i doubt"
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    smallclosetgrowr

    smallclosetgrowr Well-Known Member

    i would keep the air fresh make sure your airstones aint clogged and theres plenty of air in the water .. try even taking out most of the water so only a little bit of the roots are touch the water.i would make a new batch of nutrient solution also
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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    well now i thought i had it all and again 4.30 am.. and ther down.. way down but i found another problem... humidity!!! its down to 35 percent must go down at this time every day and when i town off my light the humidity goes up there for the plants go up so i need to get a humidifier but for a temperarey sulotion i switched the lighting schedule so the dark time is during the dry time... 35 percent humidity can cause this tho?
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    Earlymorninghigh

    Earlymorninghigh Member

    Still too much nutes. If there only 3-4 weeks from seed, water, maybe a ml or two per gallon of water, but that's all they really need. If your humidity is around 40%, that's fine, but you don't need 4 fans blowing on them if the air is that dry. Run plain, PHd balanced water for 2-3 days and lighten up on the fan. Remember, less is more. Droopy leaves can also mean you are over watering, remember, rockwool holds a ton of water. You should check out Uncle Ben's plant moisture stress symptoms, don't have the link handy, but easy to find on this site.
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    sixstring2112

    sixstring2112 Active Member

    I have very low humidity in my grow room, never goes above 45% and most of the time it's right around 30%. my plants were germed in this room so maybe that is why i dont have your problem. It might just be you need to flush with straight water for a couple days and see if they perk back up. good luck
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    cowboylogic

    cowboylogic Well-Known Member

    You say you have 6 airstones, what size airstones are they? And what size airpump are you using?
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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    Ive got i think 5 in this tub now. 2 of the 99 cent store 1's and 3 the middle sized i think 6 inches or maybe bigger i don't know. I have more of the smaller 99 cent store ones. I cant figure out which to use. I have 4 walmart dual pumps tho as well for 2 tubs and I'm using 5 of the airstones on the tub with the larger plants so get more because there roots are larger. O yeah the roots are still growing fast. The plants seem to be on a timer every night around 3am is when they droop it seems. I don't get it water level is low... ph is low i ordered a ppm tester and i used 2 diff kinds of strips for now and neither of them changed colors so i don't think its over fert. If it was wouldn't they stay droopy?? instead of perky all day until 3am droop i close the closet then in the mourning there perky again. I change something else Ive done pretty much everything everyone has told me on here. Drowning sounds reasonable i guess, but wouldn't they be drowning all day?? i dont get it the temp it fluctuate a little tonight before they drooped i had to turn on the ac a couple times to keep it down maybe cold air blowing on them made them droop?? its annoying as all hell figuring it out, but at least Ive perfected allot of things since now if i could just get past this!!!! i wish there was like a place in town i could call and have them come look at them lol. I have pictures and everyone says something different. I want to sex them, but I'm scared to traumatize them any could it be to much light from added the cfls maybe and they are were out towards they're dark time so they droop? I've been researching constantly and found several different answers tryed everything and i have gotten the same results its irritating. I appreciate everyone trying to help tho.
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    growlegal

    growlegal New Member

    OOOOOooooooo oooo Hydro!!!!!!!!!

    The primary reason I went back to soil :wall:

    Lotsa trying stuff in hydro is bad in water, everything happens fast.

    It looks to me like they are drowning. That rockwool looks soaked and
    thus your roots have no reason to search for a water source
    .

    Have you been top watering and over-filling res. too?

    I really don't think your primary problem is humidity related,
    just
    let the rockwool dry and watch those girls start to act right.
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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    yeah the res level is low they seem to be doing good except for drooping at night or if i turn the ac on and cold air hits them they droop thats the other reason they droop i figured out leaves are pretty dark maybe a small phos deficiency, but ima change the water again soon hopefully ill have my cheapo ppm and ph meter by then and ima get a actual teaspoon because ive been using the cap guessing on nutes thats probably bad to.
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    Jonus

    Jonus Well-Known Member

    I notice none of the pics show any of the root area (E.C, pH and nutrient temperature are all root issues). DWC and other forms of hydroponics are all about the roots more than the leaves. What state are the roots in and what is the E.C of the reservoir. If poss can you post a pic of the roots thanks.
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    akslipped

    akslipped Member

    roots are awsome.. getting bigger than the plants themselves ill get some pics of the roots up tomorrow

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