DonTesla
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preem. how u cover them 1 gals ?
Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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DonPetro
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They are grouped in a kitty litter box covered with an old plastic bag from a pillow. Lol
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kupihea
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Wow, that's an amazing collection. And I have several of these growing in my yard, just waiting to be harvested for the cause!After several years and countless dollars wasted on chemical nutes and never recycling my soil I have learned the true way of gardening thanks to a great thread on ICMag.
ALL CREDIT TO: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=241964 Living organic soil from start through recycling. Special thanks to MM, CC, LD, Gas, and the other organic terrorists.
Cann, Rrog, and anyone else who would like to add or correct any info here please let me know. Let's keep this positive and spread the word to the masses!!!
Borrowed from eyecmag https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=257899&page=4:
Hey folks (specifically newbs to ROLS),
I have read this entire thread as closely as my amateur skills have allowed me, and I have created a very terse compilation of notes, based exclusively from this thread. Meaning anything said can be sourced somewhere in this thread. There is such an extensive array of valuable information here I feel it warrants a summary of key terms/ideas, mainly for any newbs who have joined the boat late and who would like to source information quickly. If one person finds value in them other than myself, then it's worth posting
*Disclaimer*
These are my notes. As such, please take them with a grain of salt. Rather than rely on the specific claims I make in my notes or the figures I use, I recommend using them as an index of terms that can and should be searched for to help you locate specific topics quickly and efficiently. Also, these notes by no means cover all of the topics discussed. Unfortunately, they only touch on topics that are of specific interest to me. For example, you will find nothing regarding breeding, of which there is plenty discussed in this thread. I haven't tested many of these suggestions, and I haven't tested most on a long term basis. Remember, these notes are coming from a newb!
Without further ado...
ROLS Notes
-Kelp has so many trace elements that it improve plants immune system against disease, insects, weather. Foliar is the most effective. Foliar roots during transplant. Growth max or growth plus are good brands. Foliar in the morning. Apply 1/2-3/4 cup of kelp meal to 1 c.f. of potting soil everyrecycle. Do not use liquid kelp as these products have far less benefits than raw kelp meal.
-Alfalfa has many trace minerals as well as n-p-k-Ca-mg, sugars, starches, protein, fiber and 16 amino acids. Use on top of soil sprinkling lightly or 1 cup per 1 c.f. soil mix or 1 tbs per gallon ACT. Excellent foliar feed. Use alfalfa seed tea early in flower to reduce internodal spacing.
-Aloe juice - simply crush the leaves and collect the juice. Aloe foliar @ 2 tbls per gallon water once every 3 days. Unprocessed Aloe must use within 20 minutes due to decomposition. Supplement with worm castings and casting teas. Great for rooting clones. Great for PM resistance along with neem, kelp and alfalfa. Excellent in rooting clones just add 2 oz per gallon water. 2 tbls per gallon foliar spray. Apply 1-3 times a week. Soil drench and foliar are identical.
Vermicompost
-use coffee beans for N. ph is about 6.9 for used grounds.
-leaves and straw for bedding.
-add grit like sand or limestone or eggshells for worm digestion @ 1% total mass
-red wriggler can live 0-30 degrees celsius. Optimal temps 15-25
-up to 20% worm biomass
-use citrus peels and onions with caution
-Fish bone meal - replace every other recycle for 5 cycles, then add every 3-4 cycles. Use 1-3 cups per 6 gallons depending on other high N sources such as alfalfa. High in phosphorous.
-Sphagnum peat is not inert it is alive! Look specifically for sphagnum.Holds 20x water to weight. Aerates heavy clay soils. Speeds up composting. Decomposes slowly over several years as opposed to compost which completely decomposes after a year.
-Stinging nettles and comfrey are a powerful pesticide and fungicide. Dice and purée 2 cups of comfrey or stinging nettles and let sit in water for no more than 3 days. Foliar as well as soil drench.
-Rice hulls are a superior substitute for perlite. Perlite floats to the top of the pot. Also try lava rock.
-Leaf mold takes 6 months to a year to decompose. Speed the process up by throwing in high N stuff like compost, alfalfa meal. Use 2 quarts per cubic foot of soil. Great for moisture retention and aeration.
-Spider mites - control with neem foliar spray and rosemary oil spray. 10% rosemary oil to 90% water. -cardamom - grind 1/4 cup then place in hot water. Let cool. Go spray spider mites. Lavender tea. mite magnet - live Basel plants.
-Heat stress - use barley seed extract tea, same method as other enzyme seed teas.
-freshly rooted clones - couple days before transplanting add 1 tbs kelp meal , 2 tbs alfalfa meal, 1 gallon water bubble for 36-48 hrs for a boost in growth.
-Mineralization - azomite , gypsum (home depot) limestone and glacial rock @ 32 tbs per c.f. (total)Go to a landscape supply and load a bucket of all the rock u want! Try to go for volcanic rock dusts, as these contain silica.
-Thrips - ladybird larvae eat thrip larvae. Electric bug zapper. Bacteria called spinosad. Monterey garden insect w/ spinosad. Entrust 80w. Nematodes. Mums. Gerbera. Only foliar spray spinosad. Foliar with aloe and protekt. 1/4 aloe 2 tsp protekt per gallon solution. Know thrip life cycle.
-Cilantro pesticide- buy a bunch of organic cilantro. Place in food processor. Throw in 1 gallon of clearwater. Sit for 36 to 48 hours, no more. Strain. Add 1 cup of strained cilantro tea to 15 cups of water. Add quarter cup of Aloe Vera juice. 1 teaspoon pro-tekt. 30 minutes before lights out spray and soak everything. Leave ventilation on. Apply every four days for four applications. Use in conjunction with spinosad.
-Silica - use every watering and foliar spray up to harvest. Great pest and disease control. Protekt and agsil 16h are good brands. Agsil is greater value for your money. 148 grams agsil to 1 litre water = protekt. Silica is an emulsifier (i.e. use with neem oil)! 2 tsp protekt to 1 g water.
-Organic cloning gel - 1 g water, 2 tbs aloe Vera, 1.5 tbs Ful-power, 1.5 ts Protekt. Shake. Soak jiffy pucks for several hours. Use rooting product as well.
-Water retention - saponins. Horse chestnuts have a lot of saponins.
-Foliar - once a week, with something. Stop half way through flower. Always use Ful-Power to half harvest. Use Protekt till harvest.
-Neem - 1/4 cup per 1 cf every re ammend. Foliar-4 tsp per gallon. Emulsify with protekt. Ensure that water is at least 75 degrees fahrenheit when mixing final solution, otherwise it will clump - useless.
-Biochar. Hardwood charcoal. Smash to bits. Prevents yellowing via slow release of nutrients. Optional: place in compost pile. Allow up to 10% total soil volume. Cowboy charcoal from whole foods. Take bag of char, add 1/2 gallon EWC, 2-4 cups fish or guano or alfalfa or comfrey, soak a week in ACT, strain and add to soil.
-Enzyme tea -2 tablespoons of seeds (1 oz.) The choice of seeds is non specific. Almost anything works. Soak for 12-18 hours in mason jar. Drain that water and throw away it’s full of growth inhibitors. After a day or so once sprouted, add 1/2 gallon of water to the sprouts for a 36-48 hour soak. Strain and use 1 cup of this to 1 gallon of water as soil drench. Observe 'praying' leaves. Chop seeds for worm food. Do not store these teas.
-Coconut - scraping coconut paste from a young coconut. Enzymes, auxins, elements, etc. 1 coconut can do 20 plants. 1 oz coconut water to 15 oz water foliar spray clones. Benefits are too numerous to list.
Let me kick this off with a little no till. I pulled a plant today cause it wasn't up to my standards. I have since replaced it with a fresh clone using the same pot. We will add to this as time goes on.
Turn on, tune in, drop out....
Vic's High
Thanks headtreep
Shwagbag
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Hi organic enthusiasts!
Is any one here familiar with a products called JAIVIK? Its said to fight harmful fungis and also increase resistance to root insects like root aphids. I'm interested in it for the insecticidal benefits.
I believe the active ingredient for this benefit is neem cake, but I'm just not certain because I'm have trouble getting good data.
Also interested in neemate-10g.
Any info is appreciated!
Is any one here familiar with a products called JAIVIK? Its said to fight harmful fungis and also increase resistance to root insects like root aphids. I'm interested in it for the insecticidal benefits.
I believe the active ingredient for this benefit is neem cake, but I'm just not certain because I'm have trouble getting good data.
Also interested in neemate-10g.
Any info is appreciated!
Chronikool
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Just add ocean...?
Shwagbag
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Kelp is pretty cheap.... I know its great to grow your own everything, but I think you would have to grow a shitload of kelp to get just a measly pound of meal.
I emailed the manu to get some information on Jaivik. I will share the info when I get it!
I emailed the manu to get some information on Jaivik. I will share the info when I get it!
Chronikool
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Sorry...i was just of the belief that one of the benefits of kelp is the fact that it accumulates a lot of the seas minerals...i dont know if you could replicate that...
Actually i dont even know if im right...hahaha...
st0wandgrow
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I like you're thinking, but I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze on this one.
That's not to say that there aren't plenty of other plants and weeds that can be found in the backyard that are beneficial, and maybe a tad easier to grow/harvest/use than kelp.
foreverflyhi
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I tried growing tommacoo, but it didn't work out too well with the big corporation, wait that was a Simpson episode.
bicit
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Well there would still be minerals and what have you in an aqua culture environment. Though devoid of the sheer variety that one would see im the ocean I guess.Sorry...i was just of the belief that one of the benefits of kelp is the fact that it accumulates a lot of the seas minerals...i dont know if you could replicate that...
Actually i dont even know if im right...hahaha...
I know kelp is raised commercially, but most of the methods seem proprietary and heavily guarded. I guess it's a competitive field.
Too much to research, not enough time in a human life span
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AllDayToker
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So I've been cleaning up and organizing some stuff. I got like two 5 gallon buckets full of twigs, branches, and stalks, from previous plants.
I figured I would add them to my soil. How would you guys suggest adding them? Should I cut them up small or just crunch them up?
I figured I would add them to my soil. How would you guys suggest adding them? Should I cut them up small or just crunch them up?
greasemonkeymann
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I put these two quotes together, because Stow has the right idea, even in really cold temps if you add enough nitrogen (green leaf) you can get the temps high enough for composting, you just need to cover it and you'll see it start steaming soon enough
SouthernSoil*
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Lovely dude gives an awesome look to it aswell, have you tried with other types of mulches before aswell ? Im looking for something to add mulch to a veggie garden outside close to the pool, something that wont blow away easily, if you got any suggestions that would be sweet, on the other hand what do you guys use for mulching your indoor pots ? Possibly i can get something that will work for both situations, thank you : ) ! PeaceThese leaves keep my ground wet and break down the clay soil. They also keep the weeds at bay.
Cheers,
Mo
