Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

st0wandgrow

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Lmao Stow, I just read this on another site:



I have tried 2 tbsp per 5 gallon on the alfalfa seeds with excellent results. Wheat seeds I go more like 1/2c per 5 gallons. How are you sprouting them? And are you pureeing and straining?

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After the rinse I was leaving the seeds in a paint straining bag and bubbling a couple gallons of water (with the seeds in there) for 24'ish hours until 1/4" sprouts emerged. Then I pureed them and added that to a few gallons of water for a soil drench.

I read about the soak, rest, soak, rest way of doing it but that seemed like a pain in the nuts. Was I doing it wrong??
 

greasemonkeymann

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Can I ask what you are currently using as a mulch? I have lots of stick, leaves, etc. So I just throw the plant material in with the mulch. It very quickly gets consumed by the soil. In fact last night I found the 3" of vermicompost I added is now a solid brick of roots. I added another top dress on a few plants; as much as I had material for anyway!

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I use old cannabis sunleaves, oak tree leaves, redwood forest moss (wish I could be more specific, it's the moss that grows on redwood trees), igrind that all up a lil, I have a blower that doubles as a mulcher (works damn good) and then I empty the contents on my pile, and presto months later it's nice foresty-smelling mulch, I do it mostly to retain the water and get the roots as close to the soil surface as possible.
 

greasemonkeymann

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Hey SS! Aloe - fresh juice add 1-2 oz per gallon, 200x powder use 1/4tsp per gallon. If you are using liquid be careful of anything else added - especially sodium benzoate.

I love the Lacto b idea! The only thing I would be careful about is what you are mixing the bacteria with. I might consider adding the fish fert and chicken poop at another time.

Also, if anyone has not tried either an SST I would highly advise this! Best thing that has happened to my garden in a long time!


Peace!
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one thing to add is make sure you use the aloe-tea almost immediately.
I can say that my dahlia tree and my French lavender (both VERY rootbound) responded within 2-3 days after an AACT tea and later an SST application, they both have grown over 6 cm in three weeks, I haven't used the SSTs on any flowering plants yet. I just harvested my outdoor plants. I have to wait another two weeks before my flower room is free, its chock full of purple paralysis and grapegod flowers
 

Pattahabi

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After the rinse I was leaving the seeds in a paint straining bag and bubbling a couple gallons of water (with the seeds in there) for 24'ish hours until 1/4" sprouts emerged. Then I pureed them and added that to a few gallons of water for a soil drench.

I read about the soak, rest, soak, rest way of doing it but that seemed like a pain in the nuts. Was I doing it wrong??
Stow, this sounds pretty much like how I do it. As Grease said, and I'm sure you know, make sure you use it immediately. I'm puzzled you didn't notice a difference, especially with alfalfa seeds. I'll have to ask about this, you are the first person I have heard that did not see a rapid response.


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greasemonkeymann

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Stow, this sounds pretty much like how I do it. As Grease said, and I'm sure you know, make sure you use it immediately. I'm puzzled you didn't notice a difference, especially with alfalfa seeds. I'll have to ask about this, you are the first person I have heard that did not see a rapid response.


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maybe it's possible stows setup is in good shape? I've literally only made two SST batches, but for me I used it on plants (non-cannabis) that had visible problems, so for me I was more trying it as a stress reduction/remedy for the issues I was having, I have a lot of great plants in containers (I rent, so I don't wanna put them in ground) so like I said, the sad unhappy plants showed a marked profound difference in health, so maybe it's just harder to see a difference on a healthy plant? I don't know?
the vegging plants I used it on, look beautiful, but they didn't have any issues to start with...
 

Pattahabi

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maybe it's possible stows setup is in good shape? I've literally only made two SST batches, but for me I used it on plants (non-cannabis) that had visible problems, so for me I was more trying it as a stress reduction/remedy for the issues I was having, I have a lot of great plants in containers (I rent, so I don't wanna put them in ground) so like I said, the sad unhappy plants showed a marked profound difference in health, so maybe it's just harder to see a difference on a healthy plant? I don't know?
the vegging plants I used it on, look beautiful, but they didn't have any issues to start with...
Grease, this is very possible. If leaves are praying, they are praying. I would think one would still notice an increase in vigor and resin production, however, I'm often wrong.

I'd certainly be interested if others have not not noticed a difference with SST's.

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greasemonkeymann

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Grease, this is very possible. If leaves are praying, they are praying. I would think one would still notice an increase in vigor and resin production, however, I'm often wrong.

I'd certainly be interested if others have not not noticed a difference with SST's.

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well, for resin production, i'll let ya know in a lil bit, I am flowering some ladies, and half of them are my mainstays (jack herer, and blue dream) I've grown those two for years and years, so I know EXACTLY what they are capable of, both inside and outside, so I think i'll get a good feeling on any differences, subtle or not. From what I've seen on just my French lavender, jasmines, and my dahlias, the SSTs work damn good.
 

Pattahabi

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well, for resin production, i'll let ya know in a lil bit, I am flowering some ladies, and half of them are my mainstays (jack herer, and blue dream) I've grown those two for years and years, so I know EXACTLY what they are capable of, both inside and outside, so I think i'll get a good feeling on any differences, subtle or not. From what I've seen on just my French lavender, jasmines, and my dahlias, the SSTs work damn good.
Grease, there is certainly something to be said for growing the same strain over and over. Differences in your environment/techniques are quickly obvious. I really noticed a difference growing my herbs in a living soil and giving them leftover sst's. My rosemary was actually sticky to the touch.
Gotta like it when you can take a hit at 4:20am and pm lmao! I suppose I had better get to bed. ;)

Peace!
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DonPetro

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My rosemary loves the LOS. Very fragrant and greasy indeed. And my italian oregeno is making a strong comeback. Hopefully wont have a problem over-wintering them. They could use some better light than the 23w cfl they are under now but i'm working on that.
 

Pattahabi

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My rosemary loves the LOS. Very fragrant and greasy indeed. And my italian oregeno is making a strong comeback. Hopefully wont have a problem over-wintering them. They could use some better light than the 23w cfl they are under now but i'm working on that.
Don, isn't it amazing how much more flavor and smell comes out of the living soil? I had never seen rosemary grow like that.

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smokey the cat

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So I'm playing with a cheap aquarium airpump and a couple of airstones - trying to make a aerated compost brew.

I have a small bucket with ~6 litres (1.5g) of dechlorinated water. Added a handful of fresh fluffy compost from the bottom of my bin.

For feeding the microbes I have a teaspoon of liquid blood and bone, a pinch of an organic kelp-fish-rockdust meal and a teaspoon of molasses. Just the stuff I have in the cupboard.

I've been aerating this for about 4 hours so far, and am not seeing any foam. Nice dark colour, but not foaming.


Is this normal? First tea brew and just feeling it out.
 

Pattahabi

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So I'm playing with a cheap aquarium airpump and a couple of airstones - trying to make a aerated compost brew.

I have a small bucket with ~6 litres (1.5g) of dechlorinated water. Added a handful of fresh fluffy compost from the bottom of my bin.

For feeding the microbes I have a teaspoon of liquid blood and bone, a pinch of an organic kelp-fish-rockdust meal and a teaspoon of molasses. Just the stuff I have in the cupboard.

I've been aerating this for about 4 hours so far, and am not seeing any foam. Nice dark colour, but not foaming.


Is this normal? First tea brew and just feeling it out.
Hi Smokey,

Real quick: next time leave out the blood and bone, and really everything except the EWC, molasses and water. You do not want foam on your brew. Usually a few drops of fish hydrol will take care of this (foam slows gas exchange). Generally, you would bubble 36-42 hours.

Peace!
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Pattahabi

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Plants Can Hear Themselves Being Eaten, and Can Communicate the Threat
FULL ARTICLE (recommended)

How Plants Communicate

As mentioned earlier, plants also communicate with other plants—even with plants of other species—through a complex underground network that includes:

  1. The plants' rhizosphere (root ball)
  2. Aerial emissions (volatile gasses emitted by the plants)
  3. Mycelial networks in the soil

These three systems work together forming a "plant internet," if you will, where information about each plant's status is constantly exchanged. One of the organisms responsible for this amazing biochemical highway is a type of fungus called mycorrhizae.

The name mycorrhiza literally means fungus root.4 These fungi form a symbiotic relationship with the plant, colonizing the roots and sending extremely fine filaments far out into the soil that act as root extensions.
Not only do these networks sound the alarm about invaders, but the filaments are more effective in nutrient and water absorption than the plant roots themselves—mycorrhizae increase the nutrient absorption of the plant 100 to 1,000 times.5

In one thimbleful of healthy soil, you can find several MILES of fungal filaments, all releasing powerful enzymes that help dissolve tightly bound soil nutrients, such as organic nitrogen, phosphorus, and iron.
This is one of the major reasons why tilling the soil is deleterious to gardening or farming as it damages these fragile fungal filaments. The last thing any gardener or farmer should be doing is tilling the soil.

That is one of the reasons why wood chips are so useful as they not only eliminate tilling but effectively feeds the fungi. One of the best things you can do for your garden is to put a four inch layer of wood chips (not bark) around your plants to encourage this fungal growth and attract earthworms so they can create vermicompost.


Peace!
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smokey the cat

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Hi Smokey,

Real quick: next time leave out the blood and bone, and really everything except the EWC, molasses and water. You do not want foam on your brew. Usually a few drops of fish hydrol will take care of this (foam slows gas exchange). Generally, you would bubble 36-42 hours.

Peace!
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Chur bro. Compost and molasses I can handle - sounds like less is more folks :)

Hard to find anything marketed as fish hydrosylate on this corner of the globe. Though I think I've seen some cold-processed semi-fermented liquid fish fert before - which sounds something like a product of hydrosylis.
 

hyroot

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Plants Can Hear Themselves Being Eaten, and Can Communicate the Threat
FULL ARTICLE (recommended)

How Plants Communicate

As mentioned earlier, plants also communicate with other plants—even with plants of other species—through a complex underground network that includes:

  1. The plants' rhizosphere (root ball)
  2. Aerial emissions (volatile gasses emitted by the plants)
  3. Mycelial networks in the soil

These three systems work together forming a "plant internet," if you will, where information about each plant's status is constantly exchanged. One of the organisms responsible for this amazing biochemical highway is a type of fungus called mycorrhizae.

The name mycorrhiza literally means fungus root.4 These fungi form a symbiotic relationship with the plant, colonizing the roots and sending extremely fine filaments far out into the soil that act as root extensions.
Not only do these networks sound the alarm about invaders, but the filaments are more effective in nutrient and water absorption than the plant roots themselves—mycorrhizae increase the nutrient absorption of the plant 100 to 1,000 times.5

In one thimbleful of healthy soil, you can find several MILES of fungal filaments, all releasing powerful enzymes that help dissolve tightly bound soil nutrients, such as organic nitrogen, phosphorus, and iron.
This is one of the major reasons why tilling the soil is deleterious to gardening or farming as it damages these fragile fungal filaments. The last thing any gardener or farmer should be doing is tilling the soil.

That is one of the reasons why wood chips are so useful as they not only eliminate tilling but effectively feeds the fungi. One of the best things you can do for your garden is to put a four inch layer of wood chips (not bark) around your plants to encourage this fungal growth and attract earthworms so they can create vermicompost.


Peace!
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there's a documentary on Netflix calle what plants talk about. It was on there 2 years ago. So I don't know if its still on the online Netflix via Xbox, smart tv, ps4 etc.. It should at least be viewable from a computer.
 
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