Real GG#4???

MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PJ Diaz said:
Tissue culture type cloning will restore the genetics to their original state. This has been done by many clone companies with GG4. It's not gone, not at all.
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Broke ass home hobbyist isn't supporting capitalism. If it's for sale it's a scam in today's world. My stock is all self generated or gifted. High tech and profit is seriously perverting a fairly simple hobby. Once again vanity shows in another post. I'll take a bud from a good homegrown commercial mexi dirt weed over a frilly fancy named bud any day.

I'll put an O in the deep freeze. Please stop in and bring a sample. A good bud beats a pretty name or girly taste everytime.

I'm okay with people looking down on me for my choices. Personal tastes and self confidence are unshakable.

I hope you live up to your own exacting standards. Life has a funny way of intervening. Honest thanks. More to consider as I lie here nursing a sinus infection. All good.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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MICHI-CAN said:
Broke ass home hobbyist isn't supporting capitalism. If it's for sale it's a scam in today's world. My stock is all self generated or gifted. High tech and profit is seriously perverting a fairly simple hobby. Once again vanity shows in another post. I'll take a bud from a good homegrown commercial mexi dirt weed over a frilly fancy named bud any day.

I'll put an O in the deep freeze. Please stop in and bring a sample. A good bud beats a pretty name or girly taste everytime.

I'm okay with people looking down on me for my choices. Personal tastes and self confidence are unshakable.

I hope you live up to your own exacting standards. Life has a funny way of intervening. Honest thanks. More to consider as I lie here nursing a sinus infection. All good.
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I'm not sure why you're getting offended by the presentation of facts. The reality is that I can go get a clone of GG#4 which has been genetically refreshed by way of tissue culture for $20 right now. As others have stated, it's certainly possible that you may find something as good or better than the real GG#4 in seed form, but that doesn't make it the real GG#4.

I grew GG#4 myself for a few years, and discontinued it in favor of other strains. It's a good strain but a bit finicky, and in my opinion there's much better strains out there. Real GG#4 doesn't like high nutes, so when I see someone running GG#4 at 1400ppm, it's a tip off to me that they may have a fake.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PJ Diaz said:
I'm not sure why you're getting offended by the presentation of facts. The reality is that I can go get a clone of GG#4 which has been genetically refreshed by way of tissue culture for $20 right now. As others have stated, it's certainly possible that you may find something as good or better than the real GG#4 in seed form, but that doesn't make it the real GG#4.

I grew GG#4 myself for a few years, and discontinued it in favor of other strains. It's a good strain but a bit finicky, and in my opinion there's much better strains out there. Real GG#4 doesn't like high nutes, so when I see someone running GG#4 at 1400ppm, it's a tip off to me that they may have a fake.
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Another one. Offended hardly. Laughing at the arrogance. When you can figure out a stable soil, and how to read a plant you might push your plants beyond labels to. If you can't in soil? You are not growing healthy plants in a healthy environment. Just because you can't doesn't mean it can't be done. I could teach you a million things not from the net or a label.

Why the continued display of your overwhelming intellect? I already laughed and was moving on.

Have no hard feelings. Actually sympathy. Best wishes and some self confidence to you.
 
Tangerine_

Tangerine_

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Tangerine_ said:
People are still doing grow journals with the cut they received direct from Grizz/JW.

In fact, with Joseys passing recently, I made it a point to gift it to as many local growers as possible so it could be widely shared and enjoyed in his memory. Lot of Original Glue growing in my neck of the woods this season :bigjoint:
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@StoneyJake - to laugh at the passing of someone who wanted nothing more than his GG4 find to be enjoyed by canna community is quite sanctimonious. I'm embarrassed for you.

We have a lot seasoned growers on this forum who've selfed this cut in order to search the line for medical qualities and many more who've worked it and shared it with the community as well.
@curious2garden @antonioverde
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Tangerine_ said:
@StoneyJake - to laugh at the passing of someone who wanted nothing more than his GG4 find to be enjoyed by canna community is quite sanctimonious. I'm embarrassed for you.

We have a lot seasoned growers on this forum who've selfed this cut in order to search the line for medical qualities and many more who've worked it and shared it with the community as well.
@curious2garden @antonioverde
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Missed that post. Apologies please Stoney. Those contributors whose names we know and don't should be treated with reverance and respect for their self less sharing and commitment to the pursuit. R.I.P. all the gurus and mentors we have lost.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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MICHI-CAN said:
Another one. Offended hardly. Laughing at the arrogance. When you can figure out a stable soil, and how to read a plant you might push your plants beyond labels to. If you can't in soil? You are not growing healthy plants in a healthy environment. Just because you can't doesn't mean it can't be done. I could teach you a million things not from the net or a label.

Why the continued display of your overwhelming intellect? I already laughed and was moving on.

Have no hard feelings. Actually sympathy. Best wishes and some self confidence to you.
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I don't grow in soil, I grow in coco/perlite. I didn't make up the notion of GG#4 being sensitive to high PPMs, nor did I read it on any label. I got this info from the man Josey himself. I grew the strain for a few years, and always found that less nutes were better with this strain.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to become insulting simply because you are faced with the realization that the weed you are growing is not the real GG#4 cut. I'm simply providing you with facts, and you are coming back at me with your emotions. If you are interested in having a logical debate, keep your emotions out of the argument, and come back at me with facts to debate.

You could teach me a million things eh? Cool story bro. I see you like to post a lot. You've been a member here for 7 months and have close to 3500 posts. I guess that's why you think you know better.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PJ Diaz said:
I don't grow in soil, I grow in coco/perlite. I didn't make up the notion of GG#4 being sensitive to high PPMs, nor did I read it on any label. I got this info from the man Josey himself. I grew the strain for a few years, and always found that less nutes were better with this strain.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to become insulting simply because you are faced with the realization that the weed you are growing is not the real GG#4 cut. I'm simply providing you with facts, and you are coming back at me with your emotions. If you are interested in having a logical debate, keep your emotions out of the argument, and come back at me with facts to debate.

You could teach me a million things eh? Cool story bro. I see you like to post a lot. You've been a member here for 7 months and have close to 3500 posts. I guess that's why you think you know better.
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Called disabled. Ha ha. And I'm at 1356PPM as of yesterday. You'll never get half that in inert mediums. Like faux healthy manicured lawns. Your plants are on life support. Just another look at me scenario. Not natural. I did hydro from 86 - 92. Woke up and went to dirt. Never playing the high tech shiny game again. Honestly laughing now. At the conversation. Not you. Sorry I hurt your ego. My reality is real and learned doing it. With a big nod to Ed Rosenthall for the only printed material available in my day.

I seriously will seal an O of my fake and deep freeze it. Come acroos country and I'll get you ripped. As good or better than your original. I'd still spark with you regardless of debate. More so because of the debate. Take a hit.
 
natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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Wow, this thread went right off the rails lol. Can somebody tell me if the pinwheeling trait can be seen in this baddawg gg4 clone only× 3 headed dragon or am I seeing things? It was a male I used outdoors 2019.
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HydroRed said:
So all mustangs must be created equal too then right?
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Lol! My good friend was given his grandmother's non GT 5.0 late 80's convertible mustang in 1996. Damn, everything about that car was a pos. The radio was garbage, it was an automatic and the top stopped working after some use lol. I looked for sone pics of a model online but I think ford mustve had them all scrubbed.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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MICHI-CAN said:
Called disabled. Ha ha. And I'm at 1356PPM as of yesterday. You'll never get half that in inert mediums. Like faux healthy manicured lawns. Your plants are on life support. Just another look at me scenario. Not natural. I did hydro from 86 - 92. Woke up and went to dirt. Never playing the high tech shiny game again. Honestly laughing now. At the conversation. Not you. Sorry I hurt your ego. My reality is real and learned doing it. With a big nod to Ed Rosenthall for the only printed material available in my day.

I seriously will seal an O of my fake and deep freeze it. Come acroos country and I'll get you ripped. As good or better than your original. I'd still spark with you regardless of debate. More so because of the debate. Take a hit.
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I'm not sure what your point is anymore, I thought we were going to have a logical debate. Yes, I've grown in many different types of medium, including various soils and hydro mediums. Your assumptions of my growing history seem skewed by your need to be correct. In 92, when you "woke up and went to dirt" I was taking horticulture classes in college; I was already awake. I choose to grow in coco/perlite with a drip feed these days, because it gives me more control.

Again, and as I said before, it's certainly possible that you may find something as good or better in seed form than the real GG#4, but that doesn't make it the real GG#4.

If you really want to know the facts about GG#4, I'd suggest that you go over to ICMag and do some research. Start with this thread:

Gorilla Glue #4

This is the new, ON TOPIC, thread regarding Gorilla Glue #4. This thread is solely for the purpose of discussing the strain itself and sharing her beautiful pictures. Strain: Gorilla Glue #4 Lineage: Sour Dubb x Chem Sis x Chocolate Diesel Breeder: Joesy Whales Flowering Time: 56 - 60 Days...
www.icmag.com

Also look at everything that Josey had to say about the strain before his passing (RIP). This is his profile here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/member.php?u=40679
 
StoneyJake

StoneyJake

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Tangerine_ said:
@StoneyJake - to laugh at the passing of someone who wanted nothing more than his GG4 find to be enjoyed by canna community is quite sanctimonious. I'm embarrassed for you.

We have a lot seasoned growers on this forum who've selfed this cut in order to search the line for medical qualities and many more who've worked it and shared it with the community as well.
@curious2garden @antonioverde
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I didnt laugh at the passing of anyone. Something is seriously wrong with you people
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PJ Diaz said:
I'm not sure what your point is anymore, I thought we were going to have a logical debate. Yes, I've grown in many different types of medium, including various soils and hydro mediums. Your assumptions of my growing history seem skewed by your need to be correct. In 92, when you "woke up and went to dirt" I was taking horticulture classes in college; I was already awake. I choose to grow in coco/perlite with a drip feed these days, because it gives me more control.

Again, and as I said before, it's certainly possible that you may find something as good or better in seed form than the real GG#4, but that doesn't make it the real GG#4.

If you really want to know the facts about GG#4, I'd suggest that you go over to ICMag and do some research. Start with this thread:

Gorilla Glue #4

This is the new, ON TOPIC, thread regarding Gorilla Glue #4. This thread is solely for the purpose of discussing the strain itself and sharing her beautiful pictures. Strain: Gorilla Glue #4 Lineage: Sour Dubb x Chem Sis x Chocolate Diesel Breeder: Joesy Whales Flowering Time: 56 - 60 Days...
www.icmag.com

Also look at everything that Josey had to say about the strain before his passing (RIP). This is his profile here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/member.php?u=40679
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Never thought any different. But i have seeds from original cuts to the best of my knowledge. What would you name that? I gift it as just GG regardless of assumed lineage. How did we get to this point? I accept that it is a clone only. Technicalities and differing definitions make a mess out of this one.

And I post too much cause I can't wander far anymore. Are you berating me for destroying my body in the pursuit of shiny things? Just kidding.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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MICHI-CAN said:
Never thought any different. But i have seeds from original cuts to the best of my knowledge. What would you name that? I gift it as just GG regardless of assumed lineage. How did we get to this point? I accept that it is a clone only. Technicalities and differing definitions make a mess out of this one.

And I post too much cause I can't wander far anymore. Are you berating me for destroying my body in the pursuit of shiny things? Just kidding.
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I would call it what it is, a gg4 s1. Or better yet, call it Michi-Glue. I myself personally have a whole bag full of s1 girl scout cookie seeds I made from the original clone. I don't call them gsc, because that's not what they are; they are gsc s1 seeds. Simple. In my experience with sprouting s1 seeds you rarely get anything identical to the original parent.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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PJ Diaz said:
I would call it what it is, a gg4 s1. Or better yet, call it Michi-Glue. I myself personally have a whole bag full of s1 girl scout cookie seeds I made from the original clone. I don't call them gsc, because that's not what they are; they are gsc s1 seeds. Simple. In my experience with sprouting s1 seeds you rarely get anything identical to the original parent.
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Right where I started. GG4 S1. Every one is unique with S1's. I agree. That's the bonus when you do it for the surprise at the bottom of the box. Cannot deny facts.

No name on anything I do. Anonymous is my style.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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StoneyJake said:
thats why this will be my last reply on this fan boy circle jerk. Im sure you are confused as to who the fools are unfortunately.
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What does having correct facts have anything to do with being a fan boy? You don't like correct facts? Or maybe you simply don't like the facts which your personal reality is based around, because it means that you could be wrong.. about everything. Yep, the truth is hard to take sometimes.
 
Houstini

Houstini

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What an interesting display of incoherent babble. Real verified cut in my moms garden this year. Some people need to do some research. I’ve asked locals that offered cuts of their gg4 for more info, when they say “this was the best pheno” I politely decline and encourage that they are upfront about it being from their s1 selection. Thankfully I do have easy access, I don’t bother keeping a mother around because it’s easy enough for me to pick up. It occasionally gets grown out, my favorite part about it is the strain fatigue after smoking it every day is next to zero, and a very high ceiling.
 
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