Real GG#4???

6ixtynin9

6ixtynin9

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HydroRed said:
I can't get these GG clones to root for the life of me? I pulled 7 and NONE of them were rooted @ 9 days. Cut 3 more to err on the side of caution & also pulled 2 clones from a kosher kush, and here it is day 15 since initial cuts and I have no roots on the GG#4's. The Kosher Kush clones I cut have only been in there for a total of 6 days and I have roots exploding out of the bottom?

Are these GG#4 that hard to clone? WTF
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Looks like you have the real deal. Twisted leaves and spindly as hell. GG #4 should be easy as hell to clone. In fact, it's one of the easiest strain to clone. 80% of my GG #4 cuttings root in 5-6 days. 20% root in 8-9 days. I get 100% root all the time and I clone by the hundreds. By day 14-17 I get 15" long (possibly longer) roots.

Disregard the 2 with red circles, that's a different strain. This is current. These GG #4 were the slow rooter that was taken 16 days ago.
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hyroot

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HydroRed said:
I can't get these GG clones to root for the life of me? I pulled 7 and NONE of them were rooted @ 9 days. Cut 3 more to err on the side of caution & also pulled 2 clones from a kosher kush, and here it is day 15 since initial cuts and I have no roots on the GG#4's. The Kosher Kush clones I cut have only been in there for a total of 6 days and I have roots exploding out of the bottom?

Are these GG#4 that hard to clone? WTF
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1. soak your cuts for a day in tap water. The chlorine will heal the cuts to prevent embolism. You can add aloe to water if you want. So the cut can uptake salicylic acids.


2. Make sure to take cuts from the top of the plant.

When I first took gg4 clones. I took 10 from the bottom. None rooted. I took 5 more. Got 1 to root. Then tried taking from the tops and got 10 out of 10 to root. Then another time I got super busy and I left the cuts soaking in cups of water for a week. Half of them rooted in the cup. All those were cuts from the top.


3. If you are running an aero or bubble cloner. Make sure to take larger more woody cuts. They root better in cloners.

4. If you run a cloner, mist them twice a day. With at least a kelp foliar.


My foliar I brew a tea of natural mistik from dragon fly earth medicine. Then when ready I add silica and aloe. Then spray.

If you have the space and the right environment outside. (Spring / summer / ) You can grow the plants that are the ingredients to natural mistik.


If you use a tray and dome. Still soak cuts for a day. Tale smaller cuts. Try using fresh aloe as a cloning gel. It works better than everything else. Only mist once every other day. Change the water in the tray regularly . Add a little kelp to the water in the tray too.
 
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HydroRed

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The thing that gets me thinking its the plant and not me is the fact that I cut 2 clones from a kosher kush(after waiting 9 days for the GG to root) and got roots in the same tray within 6 days.....but still no roots on ANY of the GG? I've never had a problem rooting clones before?
 
akhiymjames

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Yea it has me puzzled as you can see everyone who has her says they gets roots within a week usually so it's strange your not getting roots. I've taken clones everywhere from her bottom too doesn't matter she usually roots and fairly easy. Hope this changes for you maybe some aloe or rooting hormones will help cus I don't see anything your doing wrong
 
HydroRed

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Thinking Im gonna run another set and try some root gel and see if it doesnt help. I forgot to mention that when I took the first cuts, they were from lower/mid bush & I didnt use any root hormone. The second set of cuts I took were from the top of the plant with rooting hormone & got the same dud results. I'm baffled at this point :wall:. I think I'll try the only method I havent tried yet and take from lower/mid and use root hormone. If this dont work then I just have a gorgeous GG#4 momma I cant do shit with lol
 
akhiymjames

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HydroRed said:
Thinking Im gonna run another set and try some root gel and see if it doesnt help. I forgot to mention that when I took the first cuts, they were from lower/mid bush & I didnt use any root hormone. The second set of cuts I took were from the top of the plant with rooting hormone & got the same dud results. I'm baffled at this point :wall:. I think I'll try the only method I havent tried yet and take from lower/mid and use root hormone. If this dont work then I just have a gorgeous GG#4 momma I cant do shit with lol
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Try some cuts in a cup of water change water out every few days. That's all I can tell you bro. Is your plugs too wet? Sometimes cuts won't root with too much moisture in rapid rooter
 
6ixtynin9

6ixtynin9

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HydroRed said:
Thinking Im gonna run another set and try some root gel and see if it doesnt help. I forgot to mention that when I took the first cuts, they were from lower/mid bush & I didnt use any root hormone. The second set of cuts I took were from the top of the plant with rooting hormone & got the same dud results. I'm baffled at this point :wall:. I think I'll try the only method I havent tried yet and take from lower/mid and use root hormone. If this dont work then I just have a gorgeous GG#4 momma I cant do shit with lol
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I noticed in earlier post, you said you clone in a bubbler. 1. Make sure you have lots of bubbles/aerations. 2. Make sure tip of cuttings are submerge in the water, or at least close enough to the water surface where the bubble can pop and splash droplets of water onto the stem. 3. You can get by with using only plain chlorinated city tap water. No roots yet so don't need to adjust pH. No need to waste money on rooting products. I stopped using rooting hormones years ago. 4. Most importantly, with any cloner, make sure the system is very VERY clean and sterile. In my experience, cuttings root the fastest with a water temp of 75 degrees F / 23.8 degrees C. To combat potential root rot, slime, root disease from the warm water, I add a DIY weak chlorine solution into the water. It also doubles as a system/water sterilizer, pathogen killer. Also, I take cuttings from the bottom to middle, 3/4 way up, all the way up, inside or outside, thick stem, small stem, soft stem, woody stem, doesn't matter, they all root no matter where I cut from. Indeed very strange that the Kosher Kush rooted before the Gorilla Glue. Should have been the opposite.
 
HydroRed

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6ixtynin9 said:
I noticed in earlier post, you said you clone in a bubbler. 1. Make sure you have lots of bubbles/aerations. 2. Make sure tip of cuttings are submerge in the water, or at least close enough to the water surface where the bubble can pop and splash droplets of water onto the stem. 3. You can get by with using only plain chlorinated city tap water. No roots yet so don't need to adjust pH. No need to waste money on rooting products. I stopped using rooting hormones years ago. 4. Most importantly, with any cloner, make sure the system is very VERY clean and sterile. In my experience, cuttings root the fastest with a water temp of 75 degrees F / 23.8 degrees C. To combat potential root rot, slime, root disease from the warm water, I add a DIY weak chlorine solution into the water. It also doubles as a system/water sterilizer, pathogen killer. Also, I take cuttings from the bottom to middle, 3/4 way up, all the way up, inside or outside, thick stem, small stem, soft stem, woody stem, doesn't matter, they all root no matter where I cut from. Indeed very strange that the Kosher Kush rooted before the Gorilla Glue. Should have been the opposite.
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All great advice.
I usually run in a bubble cloner, but decided to switch it up and go back to the basics (rapid rooters & a dome). I currently dont have room to run my bubble cloner and all the cuttings I have atm so I'm guessing I'll just have to be patient and see what these GG's give me in the next week. If I get nothing....Im gonna start over again with the fail safe -my bubble cloner. If I cant get her to clone then she does me no good as a momma.
I might just flower her big ass out :fire:
 
akhiymjames

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HydroRed said:
All great advice.
I usually run in a bubble cloner, but decided to switch it up and go back to the basics (rapid rooters & a dome). I currently dont have room to run my bubble cloner and all the cuttings I have atm so I'm guessing I'll just have to be patient and see what these GG's give me in the next week. If I get nothing....Im gonna start over again with the fail safe -my bubble cloner. If I cant get her to clone then she does me no good as a momma.
I might just flower her big ass out :fire:
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Did you get your clone healthy? Only thing I can think of is it got infected before you got it
 
HydroRed

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akhiymjames said:
Did you get your clone healthy? Only thing I can think of is it got infected before you got it
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The clone was beautiful when I got it. Momma is looking REAL good now all grown up. Been getting her ready for clones for about 2 months. Now that I got her bushed out and groomed for cloning I cant get the little bitches to root lol. The cuttings arent dying either. They just dont root?? Im gonna get some pics for you guys. brb
 
HydroRed

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GG#4 momma after approx 1.5 months of veg under (4) 4' fluoros
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The 2 on the far left of tray are the rooted Kosher Kush, the rest are GG
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GG#4 after 2 weeks of being cut-not a single sign of root.
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Kosher Kush after 6 days of being cut (rooted in same dome)
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Canopy shot of momma GG#4
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Root ball of GG#4
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HydroRed

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Ok...f*ck this GG#4, Momma's going under the big lights for flower..... "See ya in 10 weeks BITCH! :finger:".
I opened up one of the rapid rooters just to see if anything was happening and there was 0 sign of any roots or any attempt of rooting. I opened up 2 more to see if they were the same and they were. If I cant get roots then I dont care to mess with her as a momma. Time to move on and pop these BOG "Lifesaver" or "Sweet Cindy" I got burnin a hole in my bean stash :fire:
 
st0wandgrow

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HydroRed said:
Ok...f*ck this GG#4, Momma's going under the big lights for flower..... "See ya in 10 weeks BITCH! :finger:".
I opened up one of the rapid rooters just to see if anything was happening and there was 0 sign of any roots or any attempt of rooting. I opened up 2 more to see if they were the same and they were. If I cant get roots then I dont care to mess with her as a momma. Time to move on and pop these BOG "Lifesaver" or "Sweet Cindy" I got burnin a hole in my bean stash :fire:
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akhiymjames said:
Damn the sucks ass bro I don't get it. I truly don't something is preventing you from getting them to root just don't know what it is. It's crazy but well at least you will have some great buds :)
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That is crazy. My GG is super easy to root. I think what Akhiym mentioned above is right... You might have an infected plant or something. No other explanation for it.
 
mucha_mota

mucha_mota

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what i see wrong...

1) dome , you need one , i never cut in cubes, pucks, rooters w/o a dome
2) too much plant material , smaller cuts & trim back the leaves for < transpiration
3) as james noted wet your rooters , dome up, let them go a little dry (i like them moist).
4) rooting hormone...its got antifungal & other important stuff in it
5) less light , i see that cut is bending toward the light
6) heat , the guy above w/ the aero cloner is a pro i can tell , he told u right

or if you like old school , heating pad... under the tray.

if you have a dedicated spot for cut & they get good light ...give them dark time.

i do both ...bubble & tray/dome.
 
mucha_mota

mucha_mota

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to me it looks like your cuts are happy... your not putting them in a position to root. they're living like you put them in a glass of water. you have to "force" them to root. in hydro cloning application i think h2o temp is super critical. in an old school application ...dome & tray... heat & humidity.
 
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HydroRed

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mucha_mota said:
what i see wrong...

1) dome , you need one , i never cut in cubes, pucks, rooters w/o a dome
2) too much plant material , smaller cuts & trim back the leaves for < transpiration
3) as james noted wet your rooters , dome up, let them go a little dry (i like them moist).
4) rooting hormone...its got antifungal & other important stuff in it
5) less light , i see that cut is bending toward the light
6) heat , the guy above w/ the aero cloner is a pro i can tell , he told u right

or if you like old school , heating pad... under the tray.

if you have a dedicated spot for cut & they get good light ...give them dark time.

I do both ...bubble & tray/dome.
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It might seem like I dont in this thread due to my issues with GG, but I've had great results for many years with cloning whether it be bubble or plugs or any strain. Its one of the things I thought I was relatively good at lol
I took the dome off for pics because it was wet n foggy. I rarely cut the leaves on my clones unless I cut larger ones and they eat up room on the tray. These were small enough I wasnt too concerned with em. For the second set of clones cut from the GG I used clonex vs just water like on the first set of cuts & still nothing. I cut 2 sets and tried every combination of variables to get em to root and they just wont? I didnt bother trying to root in my bubble cloner. I really shouldnt have to try this hard with a momma thats so healthy. Plus the KK that I cloned in the exact same manner under the same conditions and dome & light & both rooted in less than 6 days. The pic I posted above was on the 6th day and you can tell shes been rooting for a cpl days. I can honestly say I've done everything mentioned and everything in between except for aloe. I used rooting hormone instead. I did however snip a few cuts and put em in water just to see after I moved her to the flower room. I'ts not my method, but I'm willing to try anything (as one last hoorah) just to see if I can get it to root. Failure isnt something I wear very well. Much appreciation to everyone who contributed to this thread. We got some good peoples in here.
 
HydroRed

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Typical female haha.......as soon as I said "f*ck it I'm done" last night, she went and sprouted a tiny little whispy white root from one of the plugs :roll:.
I'm still keeping momma in flower though. If one of the clones actually provide good roots I might make it a momma again. Might even do a giveaway for my mitten peoples too but we'll see. I'm just not too keen on having a momma this hard to clone.
To be continued..........
 
Aeroknow

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HydroRed said:
It might seem like I dont in this thread due to my issues with GG, but I've had great results for many years with cloning whether it be bubble or plugs or any strain. Its one of the things I thought I was relatively good at lol
I took the dome off for pics because it was wet n foggy. I rarely cut the leaves on my clones unless I cut larger ones and they eat up room on the tray. These were small enough I wasnt too concerned with em. For the second set of clones cut from the GG I used clonex vs just water like on the first set of cuts & still nothing. I cut 2 sets and tried every combination of variables to get em to root and they just wont? I didnt bother trying to root in my bubble cloner. I really shouldnt have to try this hard with a momma thats so healthy. Plus the KK that I cloned in the exact same manner under the same conditions and dome & light & both rooted in less than 6 days. The pic I posted above was on the 6th day and you can tell shes been rooting for a cpl days. I can honestly say I've done everything mentioned and everything in between except for aloe. I used rooting hormone instead. I did however snip a few cuts and put em in water just to see after I moved her to the flower room. I'ts not my method, but I'm willing to try anything (as one last hoorah) just to see if I can get it to root. Failure isnt something I wear very well. Much appreciation to everyone who contributed to this thread. We got some good peoples in here.
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Having problems rooting glue cuts would make sense if the pics you posted had the 'dud' syndrome going on, but they don't.

A heads up with the glue, replace mommas often, and try to only take cuts up high on the plant. It's bulshit I know, but gg4 can all of a sudden start throwing dud branches. If you end up using one of those fucked up cuts as a momma, you might as well ditch the strain. The dud is real, and it fucking sucks. Beleive me.
 
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