Raw Opium from Garden poppies?

Anyone ever extract raw opium from garden-grown papaver somniferum?

I never understood how it's legal to grow opium poppies….but illegal to grow marijuana! Go figure!

Anyway…I tried collecting some raw opium last summer and then I mixed it with some bubble hash and smoked it..What I got was mostly the effect of the hash and nothing really from the raw opium. And, yes, it was really real opium poppies and not some other variety.

What did I do wrong?

Thanks

You put a flame to it and destroyed all of the desirable opiates in it. The good stuff is vaporzied at a lower temperature so you never put a flame to it.

Collect the latex by scoring the pods and scraping. As Bugeye said you need to vape opium at a much lower temp than cannabis. You'll destroy the actives before you're near vaping THC.
Growing poppies is legal because growing enough for use getting high more than once or twice requires a lot of poppies and work. Someone will notice you harvesting...

So you could do this in a volcano vaporiser, or heat up the bottom of a glass pipe?

FWIW:

(17) The term “narcotic drug” means any of the following whether produced directly or indirectly by extraction from substances of vegetable origin, or independently by means of chemical synthesis, or by a combination of extraction and chemical synthesis:

(A) Opium, opiates, derivatives of opium and opiates, including their isomers, esters, ethers, salts, and salts of isomers, esters, and ethers, whenever the existence of such isomers, esters, ethers, and salts is possible within the specific chemical designation. Such term does not include the isoquinoline alkaloids of opium.
(B) Poppy straw and concentrate of poppy straw.
[h=3]§802. Definitions[/h] (19) The term “opium poppy” means the plant of the species Papaver somniferum L., except the seed thereof.

(20) The term “poppy straw” means all parts, except the seeds, of the opium poppy, after mowing.

Section 188a(c) defines the term "opium poppy" as including the plant Papaver Somniferum, any other plant which is the source of opium or opium products, and any part of any such plant.

Section 188a(d) defines the term "opium" to include the inspissated juice of the opium poppy, in crude or refined form.

section 188a(e) defines the term "opium products" to include opium and all substances obtainable from opium or the opium poppy, except the seed thereof.

188b. It shall be unlawful for any person who is not the holder of a license authorizing him to produce the opium poppy, duly issued to him by the Secretary of the Treasury in accordance with the provisions of sections 188-188n of this title, to produce or attempt to produce the opium poppy, or to permit the production of the opium poppy In or upon any place owned, occupied, need, or controlled by him. (Dec. 11, 1942, ch. 720, 5 3, 56 Stat. 1040.)


[FONT=&quot]Also see: STUTZ v. BUREAU OF NARCOTICS, ETC[/FONT]

Just collect the pods for tea

Alot less risk that way , if your found with scored pods , It;s a manfacture charge

If you must have some O for whatever reason , after you take the pod the stem will 'bleed'

tstick said:

Anyone ever extract raw opium from garden-grown papaver somniferum?

I never understood how it's legal to grow opium poppies….but illegal to grow marijuana! Go figure!

Anyway…I tried collecting some raw opium last summer and then I mixed it with some bubble hash and smoked it..What I got was mostly the effect of the hash and nothing really from the raw opium. And, yes, it was really real opium poppies and not some other variety.

What did I do wrong?

Thanks

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your supposed to cook the opium in water then filter it... try that the proper way to smoke opium is in a pookie or meth pipe but u do have to cook it in water first..

Before the opium can be smoked or further processed, it has to be cooked. As traders usually prefer it somewhat improved from its rough state, cooking also prepares it for market. The cooking is done by adding the raw opium to boiling water. It dissolves, any impurities such as pod fragments floating to the surface with heavier adulterates sinking to the bottom. The solution is passed through cheesecloth or a fine sieve to remove impurities then brought to the boil again and reduced. It is now a clean, brown, mobile fluid known as liquid opium. Very slowly, it is left to simmer until all that remains is a thick, brown paste known as prepared, cooked or smoking opium. This is pressed into moulds or trays and dried once more in the sun until it takes on the consistency of dense modelling clay which will harden as it matures. Much purer than raw opium, the cooked opium is now ready for the addict, the trader or the drug baron's laboratories.

theexpress said:

your supposed to cook the opium in water then filter it... try that the proper way to smoke opium is in a pookie or meth pipe but u do have to cook it in water first..

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you needn't boil it. As was posted, boiling simply cleans and solidifys it.it does improve the flavor, potency and burning characteristics, farr less dross. Even glass pipes can overheat your o. Opium pipes are designed the way they are for a reason. Lapping just a bit of flame from a cool source, alcohol lamps for instance is still the best.

M may be destroyed by boilling , I have read alot of mixed stuff

but one thing that is sure is that M does break down at about the same temp as boiling water.

Alchool extractions were one popular

I remember reading a tex once where the person collected all his pods, blended them with water and a little lemon juice, simmered it for a while, strained, and dried it into CFO. Dunno about the efficacy, quality, or yield, but it seems like a low risk way to harvest pods and still get O, not tea.

canndo said:

you needn't boil it. As was posted, boiling simply cleans and solidifys it.it does improve the flavor, potency and burning characteristics, farr less dross. Even glass pipes can overheat your o. Opium pipes are designed the way they are for a reason. Lapping just a bit of flame from a cool source, alcohol lamps for instance is still the best.

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you do need to boil it..... other wise it taste like harsh ass shit... and u don't put the flame to the pookie u just use the heat no one smokes raw un cooked opium...... atleast not the masses....

here is a link with step by step details and pictures.. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5834286

LIBERTYCHICKEN said:

M may be destroyed by boilling , I have read alot of mixed stuff

but one thing that is sure is that M does break down at about the same temp as boiling water.

Alchool extractions were one popular

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slow simmer....... don't use too much water..... and people use alcohol to extract a sticky ass sap from dried pods that is nowere close to near the potency of scoring fresh pods at the proper time....

theexpress said:

you do need to boil it..... other wise it taste like harsh ass shit... and u don't put the flame to the pookie u just use the heat no one smokes raw un cooked opium...... atleast not the masses....

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note what I said, cooked tastes better, buts better and is stronger. The common grower, my being one will not hazard a loss of his meager quarter or half ounce through loss of any kind. Note I said lap the flame, it should never touch the product perhaps however the dross.

I believe however, that someone with a good vaporiser and some skill would do better than even the old Chinese methods, the ones I learned 40 years ago.

I have just last night been given the chance to score and milk "the poppy lady's" crop of ornamentals. She is a wonderful woman who just wants someone to enjoy the pleasures of her favorite flower after the petals fall. She has no direct interest. She is delightfully naive. She walked into our local brewery last night and asked from across the room "hey can do, I thought you were coming to havest opium yesterday.

she claims to have over 100 larger than golfball sized pods. I have never harvested ornamentals. Will this be enough or shall I just take the pods?

canndo said:

I have just last night been given the chance to score and milk "the poppy lady's" crop of ornamentals. She is a wonderful woman who just wants someone to enjoy the pleasures of her favorite flower after the petals fall. She has no direct interest. She is delightfully naive. She walked into our local brewery last night and asked from across the room "hey can do, I thought you were coming to havest opium yesterday.

she claims to have over 100 larger than golfball sized pods. I have never harvested ornamentals. Will this be enough or shall I just take the pods?

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Are you sure she's the only naive one?
Just sayin' be careful. I'd sus her out good. Maybe get the pods and vanish soon after.
2 bad that 2cimdma is mia, that guy knew a lot.

I extract the opium by putting several bulbs in a wok of water with a little citric acid (lemon juice/vinegar...)
heat the wok, when the bulbs change colour they have parted with the needed ingredient.
Add more bulbs and repeat.
(Avoid splitting the bulbs/heads. They are full of millions of tiny seeds that can not be separated from the syrup if they mix with it. Boiling the bulbs within a fine grade strainer, within the wok, can ensure that only liquids are left in the wok when the bulbs are removed).

When all the bulbs have been used continue heating the wok.
The water will boil away leaving a thicker and thicker syrup.
Continue until the syrupy residue scrapes away from the wok as a type of tar/hash/powdery consistency.
At this point ALL the moisture should have been boiled out and the wok will have a layer of residue that scrapes away from the sides as a powdery hash like substance.
SYRUP or MOIST TAR consistency should not remain UNLESS you are deliberately making POPPY SYRUP
(a less concentrated form of opiate BUT still effective on anyone without a tolerance to opioids).

Leave overnight - it will absorb water molecules.
Scrape from the wok. It will be like amateur hash.
Some parts dry and powdery, other moist and tar like.

Attempting to smoke it is difficult and wasteful.
Most users ingest by eating.
In fact the idea of 19th Century opium dens full of men smoking is a myth.
Opium was mostly taken orally.

killemsoftly said:

Are you sure she's the only naive one?
Just sayin' be careful. I'd sus her out good. Maybe get the pods and vanish soon after.
2 bad that 2cimdma is mia, that guy knew a lot.

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she's good, a founder of the brewery and a pedigree. it was her birthday last night and I gave her maybe twenty cigar boxes for her little arts and craftie things.

she says they are self propagating and she gets them every year without sowing. I am wondering if I should snag the pods so they don't make seeds and leave a couple ounces of Tasmanian or gigantemum seeds on the ground when I leave.

NorthofEngland said:

Attempting to smoke it is difficult and wasteful.
Most users ingest by eating.
In fact the idea of 19th Century opium dens full of men smoking is a myth.
Opium was mostly taken orally.

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much more effective and long lasting for pain when taken orally is it not?