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mantle7717

mantle7717

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If I get the 75.5% and the material cold enough and do the wash quick enough, could it produce fire? I am low on funds and out of 200 proof
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Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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mantle7717 said:
If I get the 75.5% and the material cold enough and do the wash quick enough, could it produce fire? I am low on funds and out of 200 proof
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Maybe try a quick wash on a small amount of material and see if any chlorophyll is picked up.
If no chlorophyll is picked up then I'm sure you could use it if your really in a pinch.
Although the end product will have a lot of water in it considering an extraction takes a larger volume of solvent as opposed to winterization and if the solvent has water in it to begin with, the amount of water in your end product will be directly proportional to the amount of water that was in the solvent and even though the water will evaporate it will be much harder to remove if it's trapped under your extract.
 
mantle7717

mantle7717

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Could I get the water out some how to produce a better solvent.. I've heard people talking about certain salts achieving this, how would this be achieved

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Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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mantle7717 said:
Could I get the water out some how to produce a better solvent.. I've heard people talking about certain salts achieving this, how would this be achieved

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The drying agent is called Magnesium Sulfate.
I think it may be a little inaccurate to say that it's not simple and straightforward to use this drying agent.
What you do is take your baked Epsom salt and grind it into a fine powder, the powder is added to your solution.
The mixture will need to sit for a short period of time to allow the MgSO4 to do its job.
After about an hour or two, there's gonna be no more water in the solution, that's assuming you used enough drying agent, so your going to have to remove the drying agent which will require some very fine filters or simple distillation equipment.
I'm also fairly sure that the dry agent can be removed by letting the solution settle for 48 hours and decanting the alcohol, although this method may not fully remove the MgSO4.
Basically as long as you have a means of separating the drying agent from the solution, this can be performed very easily with very little materials.

But I do agree with snaps that you should just stash your material.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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What about the epsom that dissolved into the solution?

If your going to go this route, a 3a molecular sieve is what I use.

Oh and to answer the op, no it wont.. at least not to me
 
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SnapsProvolone

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Blunter the kid said:
The drying agent is called Magnesium Sulfate.
I think it may be a little inaccurate to say that it's not simple and straightforward to use this drying agent.
What you do is take your baked Epsom salt and grind it into a fine powder, the powder is added to your solution.
The mixture will need to sit for a short period of time to allow the MgSO4 to do its job.
After about an hour or two, there's gonna be no more water in the solution, that's assuming you used enough drying agent, so your going to have to remove the drying agent which will require some very fine filters or simple distillation equipment.
I'm also fairly sure that the dry agent can be removed by letting the solution settle for 48 hours and decanting the alcohol, although this method may not fully remove the MgSO4.
Basically as long as you have a means of separating the drying agent from the solution, this can be performed very easily with very little materials.

But I do agree with snaps that you should just stash your material.
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In another thread you state
Blunter the kid said:
It works better when you distill your alcohol over the MgSO4, instead of attempting to pass it through the MgSO4. :/
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I've dried solvents by simply mixing, but here you've indicated this is an inferior methodology. Could you elaborate?

The trick imho is in baking/drying the MgSo4 without burning it.
 
Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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SnapsProvolone said:
In another thread you state

I've dried solvents by simply mixing, but here you've indicated this is an inferior methodology. Could you elaborate?

The trick imho is in baking/drying the MgSo4 without burning it.
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Of course I can elaborate.
Distilling the alcohol off would remove the water and separate the magnesium sulfate at the same time.
The reason I didn't go into detail with the distillation is because I don't think OP owns a distillation setup so I was trying to explain alternatives.
Just mixing the drying agent with the solvent won't do as good a job as distilling it because distillation would remove all the mgso4, your procedure's not inefficient at removing water but perhaps it is at removing the remaining magnesium sulfate.
But my point still stands, it's easy to use this drying agent if you have a means of separating it such as distillation or the appropriate filter.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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Blunter the kid, when you say "distill your alcohol over the MgSO4, instead of attempting to pass it through..." I'm confused by the implied procedure of, excuse me if I'm wrong, passing the distillation vapor through a column of MgSO4?

Not to be a PITA, you seem to be knowledgeable and I'm learning.
 
Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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SnapsProvolone said:
Blunter the kid, when you say "distill your alcohol over the MgSO4, instead of attempting to pass it through..." I'm confused by the implied procedure of, excuse me if I'm wrong, passing the distillation vapor through a column of MgSO4?

Not to be a PITA, you seem to be knowledgeable and I'm learning.
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Well by that I mean place mgso4 and alcohol in the boiling flask and distill as is.
The drying agent sits in the same flask as the alcohol and boils off until only the powder is left in the flask.
I apologize for not being a little clearer :)
Edit: When I said "instead of attempting to pass it through..." The implied procedure is to put mgso4 in a coffee filter and just let the alcohol pass through it, I think someone mentioned that in the thread you quoted me from.
 
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MiG pilot

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Blunter the kid said:
I mean place mgso4 and alcohol in the boiling flask and distill as is.
The drying agent sits in the same flask as the alcohol and boils off until only the powder is left in the flask.
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Why do you think that the heating during the distillation will not lead to the separation of water molecules from the crystal hydrate MgSO4 × 7H2O back into ethanol solution?
 
lio lacidem

lio lacidem

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@ migpilot.....im thinking it works in the same way a survival still takes salt water and turns it to drinkable fresh water. How that works is you take a container fill with salt water put cup in middle. Cover container with plastic or tarp. Secure sides place small rock in middle of cover. Water evaps leaving salt in bottom. Water vapir hits cover condenses andfalls back in cup.....,
Im thinking this is theoretically the same principle.
 
Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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MiG pilot said:
Why do you think that the heating during the distillation will not lead to the separation of water molecules from the crystal hydrate MgSO4 × 7H2O back into ethanol solution?
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The magnesium sulfate will not release the water at the temperatures required to boil alcohol.
It takes a lot of heat to make the magnesium sulfate release the water it absorbed, which is the reason you bake it in the oven at 400 degrees Fahrenheit.
 
SnapsProvolone

SnapsProvolone

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MiG pilot said:
Why do you think that the heating during the distillation will not lead to the separation of water molecules from the crystal hydrate MgSO4 × 7H2O back into ethanol solution?
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You oven dry the mgso4 first. Its that 7 h2o that will be replaced with moisture from the solvent.
 
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