ToWeRdog and FloWeRGirl
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You flush for 30 days? I bet you have the best tasting herb.
Qwerkle-W.Widow-B.Widow
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berka9
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ToWeRdog and FloWeRGirl
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Im trying to wrap my head around this. So Querkle for example is supposed to finish in 55-65 days lets say 9 weeks....So you would feed for the first 5 weeks then plain water the last 4?
I run aero tables and I flush for 10 to 14 days for clean burning good tasting herb. I have some moms(in soil) that are ginormous. So I will be doing a soil run. I know a lot of growers flush for the last 2 weeks when doing soil but it seems like their shit isnt as smooth as mine. I thought it was just because they were diff strains. I am starting to wonder if they are not flushing for long enough.
What do you guys think?
I run aero tables and I flush for 10 to 14 days for clean burning good tasting herb. I have some moms(in soil) that are ginormous. So I will be doing a soil run. I know a lot of growers flush for the last 2 weeks when doing soil but it seems like their shit isnt as smooth as mine. I thought it was just because they were diff strains. I am starting to wonder if they are not flushing for long enough.
What do you guys think?
rzza
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wel i think that flushing does nothingto the taste of the meds. i dont think its getting any nutes out bla bla but to answer your first question, if im growing a 55-65 day strain i finish on nutes around day 50 and then just plain water for the next thirty days. in other words, i like to go a bit further thanbeeders suggest.
ToWeRdog and FloWeRGirl
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So your telling me that if you feed your plants full strength nutes then harvest a couple days later.....it will taste the same as using straight water for the last 2 weeks?
Im not trying to argue with you or anything. I think your work speaks for itself. im curious about why you are doing things different then what I have done or seen done. Seems like if you take a strain that is supposed to be at its prime at 8-9 weeks past that window THC degredation would take effect.
Have you ever checked your trics with a scope at harvest time?
You dont have to answer any of this if you dont want to. I wont take offense. Much respect.
Im not trying to argue with you or anything. I think your work speaks for itself. im curious about why you are doing things different then what I have done or seen done. Seems like if you take a strain that is supposed to be at its prime at 8-9 weeks past that window THC degredation would take effect.
Have you ever checked your trics with a scope at harvest time?
You dont have to answer any of this if you dont want to. I wont take offense. Much respect.
rzza
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im not offended by your questions at all. and unlike most people on these boards i dont concider it an argument either, more like a debate (that i always win hehe). so yes if you take a white widow (for example) at ay 55 feed it full strength nutes and choip it down at day 56, you wont taste any nutes. i find it silly that people actually think that nutes will be present as if flushing will wash out the buds or something.
ive always had these feelings and with my recent harvest of qwerkle i did an experiment. i started 3 of them (from same mom) on the same date, flowered at the same time and harvested one at 70 one at 80 and one at 90 days. i had stopped feeding at day 65. between all three plants there was almost ZERO difference. they all had the same weight, taste and smell. they all burned well with and without a cure. the ONLY difference was the amount of purple and one might argue that the 90 day was more potent.
you also asked if it will depreciate in potency and from what ive read, yes it will but from experience i can say that it takes more than a few months of 12/12.
yes i have a scope and i watch the trichs alot. imo its not important to watch them because they change before other factors change. iow, you should watch trichs, pistils and overall color/texture of the buds. the trichs start turning amber FIRST [usually]. then the pistils turn brown and then the pistils receed into the buds and the texture changes to what we like to put in our grinders and pipes. if you concentrate on the color of trichs you will certainly harvest early.
ive always had these feelings and with my recent harvest of qwerkle i did an experiment. i started 3 of them (from same mom) on the same date, flowered at the same time and harvested one at 70 one at 80 and one at 90 days. i had stopped feeding at day 65. between all three plants there was almost ZERO difference. they all had the same weight, taste and smell. they all burned well with and without a cure. the ONLY difference was the amount of purple and one might argue that the 90 day was more potent.
you also asked if it will depreciate in potency and from what ive read, yes it will but from experience i can say that it takes more than a few months of 12/12.
yes i have a scope and i watch the trichs alot. imo its not important to watch them because they change before other factors change. iow, you should watch trichs, pistils and overall color/texture of the buds. the trichs start turning amber FIRST [usually]. then the pistils turn brown and then the pistils receed into the buds and the texture changes to what we like to put in our grinders and pipes. if you concentrate on the color of trichs you will certainly harvest early.
deprave
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rzza speaks the truth, wise words...
like he says..The reason to flush is to let the plant finish it has nothing to do with flavor but it does have a lot to do with the end product in a sense...here is a section from a book on cannabis maturation I found very helpfull when I was starting: http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-grow-guide/cannabis_maturation_harvesting.html
Like rzza is saying...you look for all the signs of maturation and then you start to look at your trichs..If the vast majority of your trichs are opaque or amber with big mushroom heads and some are leaning you are near the peak potency and this is when to harvest..
like he says..The reason to flush is to let the plant finish it has nothing to do with flavor but it does have a lot to do with the end product in a sense...here is a section from a book on cannabis maturation I found very helpfull when I was starting: http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-grow-guide/cannabis_maturation_harvesting.html
Like rzza is saying...you look for all the signs of maturation and then you start to look at your trichs..If the vast majority of your trichs are opaque or amber with big mushroom heads and some are leaning you are near the peak potency and this is when to harvest..
ToWeRdog and FloWeRGirl
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I agree with the things you guys are saying about when the plant is mature. I hardly ever use my scope anymore. Any strain that doesnt finish in 9 weeks or less I toss it but I run aero tables and I like to have everything finish in about the same amount of time. Thanks for posting the link.
I do disagree with your statements about flushing. I will leave it at that.
To each his own. I think we are all after the same thing. Quality meds.
I do disagree with your statements about flushing. I will leave it at that.
To each his own. I think we are all after the same thing. Quality meds.
Klo$etBreeder
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Haven't seen your thread in a few bro looking great wish I could throw some pics up but I'm still lacking a working computer lol. Sucks I usually hit RIU up once a day now it's like once a month I got a canopy just like yours though it's 5'x6' 30sq feet of plant tops it's a beautiful thing isn't it lol i spend most of my day in there lol
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hey rezzzzzz imalso just sayin wazup wheres the pics
TheRachShow
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Where are the pics of this fantasical bud that I am smoking?
Someones slacking..
Someones slacking..
rzza
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Klo$etBreeder
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I gotta jump into your debate. The way I see it is like this flushing itself doesn't take the nutes out of the plant your plants cell walls are built with what you put into it ie the reason ppl like organic taste over chem nutes. Flushing removes salts and the left over nutes in the soil itself and forces the plant to use up it's reserve. With soil grows it's alot harder to remove the nutes compared to hydro where the water is in direct contact with the roots alone and there is no stored nutes in surrounding medium. I do the same as rzza and stop feeding ahead of time so by the recommended "2 week flush" there are no leftover nutes in the soil and then theyre taking in plain water and using there reserves up completely. But at the same time your plant is already chemically enhanced at a cellular level and the only way to achive a superb clean smoke is veganicly growing This is the closest to nature as you can get by basing all forms of nutrient being plant based as it would be in nature. Building cell walls with plant rather than chemicals.
The harsh smoke comes from curing incorrectly. Curing is the most important part of growing next to actual cultivation.
Basicly removing all nutes ahead of the flush to get the plant to use up all the extra nutrient leftover in plant will help but not singnificantly enough to make the plant taste that much different, tho a nuked plant will be worse than a flushed plant.
Rzza has the right idea, there's no point in flushing when you fed the plant a few days before theres not enough time in 2 weeks the reserve will still Be in the plant at harvest.
If you look into veganic growing there is no flushing at all no Ph balancing and the plants smoke is incredibly smooth and tasty even though your harvesting 100% green living plants. It's just the difference of what the plants cell walls are made up of.
Yo rzza I texted you the other day did I get a wrong number or did u just get a random weed picture lol
The harsh smoke comes from curing incorrectly. Curing is the most important part of growing next to actual cultivation.
Basicly removing all nutes ahead of the flush to get the plant to use up all the extra nutrient leftover in plant will help but not singnificantly enough to make the plant taste that much different, tho a nuked plant will be worse than a flushed plant.
Rzza has the right idea, there's no point in flushing when you fed the plant a few days before theres not enough time in 2 weeks the reserve will still Be in the plant at harvest.
If you look into veganic growing there is no flushing at all no Ph balancing and the plants smoke is incredibly smooth and tasty even though your harvesting 100% green living plants. It's just the difference of what the plants cell walls are made up of.
Yo rzza I texted you the other day did I get a wrong number or did u just get a random weed picture lol
deprave
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Just want to throw some of my thoughts/experiences/theories more on this subject..all in all some great points here especially by klosetbreeder and rzza and a lot of what I say here kind of repeats what they are saying but in different words.
As soil growers we know that making amendments to the soil can sometimes take up to 30 days to fully run its course...this leads me to assume that a 30 day flush would be more effective then a 2 week flush if I believed in flushing soil intentionally for the purpose of a better tasting product.
here is why I think there is a widely known opinion that with soil a 2 week flush is essential...soil growers test the runoff of their plants and after flushing for about two weeks they find the PPM or EC is very low, they assume this means they have flushed the soil fully...This has caused people to believe that at around 2 weeks the achieve a good flush, I beg to differ, because of the fact I stated in the paragraph above this one, additionally because we know the plant then will used up its stored nutrients only after it has depleted the nutrients in the soil.
It is my belief that we must allow the plant to run its course and give it what it needs and this is what drives people to flush, flushing is only something which is essential for someone who is in a rush (production purposes) because they dont let the plant run its course. I dont know if its quite the right wording for this particular subject but intentional flushing at the end of the cycle for the purpose of producing better smoke when it comes to soil growing and especially organically grown soil plants is in a sense simply a myth or misunderstanding of cannabis.
To shed more light on what klosetbreeder is saying...harsh smoke does come from curing improperly or not long enough but additionally when growers are growing from seed some phenotypes just plain stink, no matter the strain, if you grow from seed you roll the dice, there is a good, a bad, and ugly possible from every seed.
kether noir
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very nice grow. props.
TheRachShow
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Well put, even noobs like me could understand that. And you make a very good point on how flushing is only essential for someone who is in a rush; such as in production purposes. It only makes sense that if you let the plant run it's natural course, flushing would not be needed.