question re. humidity

OrangeCush

Member
running a 150 w. hps in a 2x2x3 grow tent with a desk fan duct taped to be used as an exhaust fan. temps are around 78-80 quite consistently. my soil dries out really fast. the top inch or so is usually totally dry within 4 hours of watering. is my area too dry? i've been watering twice a day. i know this could be too often, is there a way to keep the soil moist longer? how do i increase humidity? i don't have a meter, but it seems low.
 

cannofbliss

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well since no one has come in and said it yet...

and not to be a smart ass lol ;) but whats your humidity in there ??? did you get a thermometer that has a hygrometer with it as well???
 

cannofbliss

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there like 5 bucks at most stores and that includes the electronic combo of thermometer/hygrometer... oh and a few bucks for AA batteries as well...

no offense... and please take this constructively... but you just cant possibly expect to grow anything successfully without good or basic equipment ;)
 

cannofbliss

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what cannabineer said will be good as long as you change out the towels after a few days to avoid mold and fungal issues spreading from funky towel towels got the funk haha just had a joes apartment flashback LOL ;)

also a cheap humidifier like a vicks vapor mist about 15 bucks around there and also small shallow buckets of water...

plus you dont want the top inch of your soil to stay moist all of the time thats how mold and fungi grow ;)

are you tryin to keep seeds youre germinating moist... if then just top container with saran wrap and take a toothpick or somthing to poke small itty bitty holes in the tops like 4 in each corner... once they sprout then they already have a taproot down about 5 inches at that point and you dont want them to be overwatered anyways so the roots grow out in search for water and thus they develop a much more broader and vast root system so later in its growth and flowering it will be able to take in alot of nutrients in the most efficient manner...
 

OrangeCush

Member
none taken.. i didn't realize measuring humidity was so essential. i haven't a hydrometer but i'll be sure to get one. i just have a thermometer, the 150 hps, a fan, and some pots with organic soil.
and @ cannabineer: really? does that work?
 

cannofbliss

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ahh okay checked out your thread... so your in the seedling stage... the top layer of soil is drying out cause your fan is pulling all of the moisture out of the soil and air out of your tent and by the looks of it... it is right at the level of where your seedlings are so thats not so good... and the wet towel may not work if your gonna keep your tent like that until the plants grow a bit more so for now and most cheaply get some soda bottles 2 liters and cut them in half and poke holes in the tops of them about 4-5 no thicker diameter than the width of a bic pen then spray the inside with water and cover the little ones and re-apply sprayed water inside the bottles once completely dried out... you'll have to do this for about a week until they have grown up enough to handle the lower humidity then you can add a towel or whatever to add humidity in there with shallow bucket of water humidifier etc...
 

cannofbliss

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A fresh wet towel every day absolutely ... unless you want Locker Room Kush ... lol ... cn
haha yeah i all of a sudden got the song from joes apartment "funky towel" in my head thinkin about the towel thing... so yeah... but can get by with a fresh one every few days... but i guess a fresh one everyday would be best ;)
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
haha yeah i all of a sudden got the song from joes apartment "funky towel" in my head thinkin about the towel thing... so yeah... but can get by with a fresh one every few days... but i guess a fresh one everyday would be best ;)
A towel I re-wet for the second day became fragrant. btw love "Joe's Apartment"! A cockroach musical ... total stoner giggle flick. cn

<edit> Soda bottle humidity dome ... sterling idea. Leave the bottle cap off for "perfect" air-to-moisture ratio, imo ...
 

cannofbliss

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oh and one more thing...

by adding the humidity dome you will also be saving yourself and your plants from over watering them so their roots wont be drowned out think about it the plants at that size have no more moisture in them than a couple of drops of water so they dont need to be drowning at this point in their life cycle but also they dont need to be bone dry either way too much water and too little will cause your plant to have stunted growth...

so the humidity domes will retain the necessary amount of moisture the plant needs at this point and will get it out of the air itself and the roots will need to search for water and nutes and if you water too much also you will release more nutrients into the soil youll end up with nute burn and cause it to become too acidic leading to nutrient lockout...

so in general say you started in solo party cups even seedlings have gone just fine till 2-3 nodes (a week and a half later) without having to water them since the soil was pre soaked on day one from germination stage ;)
 

greywind

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OrangeCush, I hope you don't mind me asking a general humidity question in your thread. I figure all knowledge is good knowledge.

I'm two weeks into my first medical marijuana grow (100% legal). Quick set up description: 2'x4' veg tent with 4' 4-tube T5 fixture (6500k bulbs/20,000 lumen) about a foot from the seedlings. The seedlings were germinated in Jiffy pellets and dome and are now in clear party cups with Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil. One stationary fan at a vent for intake and air circulation. My temps range from 77-82 degrees and my humidity 30-34%.

My question is this, are my humidity levels too low? I know high humidity leads to mold and fungus, but what are the consequences of low humidity? If any? I seem to be watering every other day and I mist them daily. They seem to be growing well, but I'm new to this, so I'm not sure if they can possibly be doing better. I don't want to unknowingly hurt my babies. The last pic shows my one Querkle with funky leaf development.

Any advice is always appreciated. Cheers!

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cannofbliss

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OrangeCush, I hope you don't mind me asking a general humidity question in your thread. I figure all knowledge is good knowledge.

I'm two weeks into my first medical marijuana grow (100% legal). Quick set up description: 2'x4' veg tent with 4' 4-tube T5 fixture (6500k bulbs/20,000 lumen) about a foot from the seedlings. The seedlings were germinated in Jiffy pellets and dome and are now in clear party cups with Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil. One stationary fan at a vent for intake and air circulation. My temps range from 77-82 degrees and my humidity 30-34%.

My question is this, are my humidity levels too low? I know high humidity leads to mold and fungus, but what are the consequences of low humidity? If any? I seem to be watering every other day and I mist them daily. They seem to be growing well, but I'm new to this, so I'm not sure if they can possibly be doing better. I don't want to unknowingly hurt my babies. The last pic shows my one Querkle with funky leaf development.

Any advice is always appreciated. Cheers!

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first things first...

1.) lower your lights down to 4-8 inches from the tops your light is way too far away and your seedlings are stretching for the light not badly but still stretching...

2.) slow your roll on the watering deal as you are making the soil too moist and only stunting your growth and releasing too much fert for your seedlings to handle at this point as this time is crucial for the roots to have room to breath and also stretch out in search of water not be drowned in it ;)

3.) try using light warrior for seedlings as most if not all seedlings do quite well in this mix and doesnt seem to be nearly as hot as ocean forest... then after a few weeks of growth or if they are gettin pretty big you can then simply pop them over to ocean forest and a much larger container and they should explode with growth and at that point there is no need to add any fertiliser as it has plenty in it for the plants next stage into vegetative growth for the next 3-4 weeks then you can add some feed into the mix ;)

4.) not completely necessary here but better than clear cups so... next time try using the colored cups as they wont dry out faster like the clear ones you have(due to light radiation penetration) and if your roots grow out to meet the edge they will stop growing as well due to the exposure to the light... so it is best if youre gonna start out with solo cups or party cups to use the colored ones then poke holes or cut with scissors at the edge of the bottom of the cups in a small angle to the right then follow it back with a small angle to the left and it will form a small triangle hole which is much easier than poking as it tends to crack the cups rather than create an actual hole for drainage in the cups... hope that makes sense ;)

5.) let the soil dry a bit... actually let them dry to where the cup feels light again... especially for the qwerkle that got over cooked by the nutes...
this will give the plants a chance to grow a strong and good starting root system and will also give it time to absorb the nutrients in the soil at a slower rate and thus the plant will grow faster and healthier at this stage in its life... actually the best way is to rinse thoroughly, let dry, and repeat... but that all depends on your grow room conditions and is completely subjective to it...

6.) the humidity and temps directly under fluorescent lighting systems or any other lighting systems is going to be "off" somewhat and will always read a bit lower for humidity and higher in temps than actual air temps and humidity really is around your plants...

30% humidity is not bad and will not have an adverse effect on your grow... in fact during flowering if you keep the humidity low it will make the plants produce more oils and resin to keep it from drying out and thus you have more of that sticky goodness ;)

as long as you mist them a couple of times a day till they get a bit bigger say after 2 weeks... then ideally you'll want to keep it somewhere around 50-60% for the vegetative period and lower on flowering like around where you have it now but no more than 40%

just as a reminder let the querkle cup dry out as well as your other cups a bit... say dry down to the last couple inches of soil or until the cup feels significantly lighter than a wet cup does if that makes any sense lol ;)

however... oddly enough some seedlings do quite well in ocean forest and some do not that is just the way it is so that is up to you on what soil to use for seedlings... fox farms is great soil...

the way to counteract this in the future or avoid over nuting your babies is altogether is stop watering the soil and just keep the same amount of moisture you had in the cup when you wet it before you put the seeds in it and dont water it for a week...

i know what your thinkin but i guarantee unless youre out in death valley during the peak of summer you dont need to water your seedlings every day or even every other day and they will do best if you just water once like when you first watered your cups to prepare the seed to sprout then thats just it once it sprouts and its cotyledon leaves have spread out and its first true serrated leaves pop out of the center and are about the same size as the coty leave then that is the same time you have to stop worrying about keeping the top inch of the soil wet...

and if your humidity is too low... like i mentioned to the OP in there just use a humidity dome for its first week or till second set of leaves show up... seedlings like it to be humid but not soggy wet soil ;)

just remember that each time you water with brand new soil at this stage in the seedlings life you are releasing more and more nutrients out of it and it will only keep having an adverse affect on the plant even to a point causing the soil to become too hot and could ultimately lead to a nutrient lockout...

and you dont want to have that happen... even though fox farm is great soil and it is very hard to lock out a plant in that soil it can happen if you over water a seedling in that stage...

so be careful at that stage in your plants life as you want your meds to be finished in 3-4 months versus 6-8 after having them recuperate after having them be mucked up for a month till they get their roots or legs goin again... lol ;)

where your at in your stage of growth you dont really need a humidity dome theyre big enough... ;)

just keep misting the plant twice a day as that is plenty of water for its needs at this stage in its life till the cups dry out much more...

hope this helps ;)
 

greywind

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Thank you so much for all the info. I'm off to bed now but I will definitely review this tomorrow when I'm not half asleep, lol. I figured I could have my T5s a little closer. Guess I was playing it a little too safe. I will adjust the lights to 6" away tomorrow and see how they react after a day or two. Maybe a little closer... and funny enough, shortly after I posted this I read another area in the forum that reminded me light for roots is a no no. So I went and got some solid blue solo cups to cover the clear cups and that's a done deal. Stupid me, I should have known better.

+Rep for sure Cannofbliss! Cheers and much thanks!
 

OrangeCush

Member
well, for 2 days, the little sprouts that barely popped through looked dead. but i put those humidity domes (well i had to find random plastic containers...) lastnight, and this morning, the babies are already showing signs of new growth. on the blue mystic, the first real leaves are starting to barely pop through. the papaya has perked up a bit, and the northern lights (biggest seedling) is doing great!
 

HDPursuit

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Great Answer Canno! Have stuck this in my Journal for reference, on my first grow and wuldn't have made it this far w/o RIU folks

Thanks

Puff,Puff,Pass
 

cannofbliss

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well, for 2 days, the little sprouts that barely popped through looked dead. but i put those humidity domes (well i had to find random plastic containers...) lastnight, and this morning, the babies are already showing signs of new growth. on the blue mystic, the first real leaves are starting to barely pop through. the papaya has perked up a bit, and the northern lights (biggest seedling) is doing great!
good to hear the rest of your little ones are on their way... :)

this is usually the point where trying to have patience can suck... lol

but dont worry... if your plants dont look like others that you see either on here or other sites at 2 weeks or even 3 weeks... again dont sweat it ;)... cause some strains and and or F1 hybrids grow much faster than others and you or anyone else for that matter cannot always accurately compare the growth between one plant and another...

even between 2 identical strains out of the same seed batch... one may grow exponentially faster while leaving the other one in the dust... so be patient and dont stress and they will grow out to be some great plants ;)

but nevertheless... hopefully your little sprouts that barely popped through pick up...

you can try this if they arent lookin any better by the end of today then just take an eyedropper or spraybottle and just give them a drop directly on top of them twice a day and see if that doesnt perk them back up while still keeping the humidity dome on... but no more water on those babies than the couple of drops ;)

good luck and enjoy the grow ;)
 
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