question on timing ...

I am just wondering if there is ever a time when its too early to introduce mycorrhizae?

I would say the only time it would ever be too early is if you have no roots.

....that aside I think its pretty common to premix with myco, it will live in the soil before transplanting. Or do a soak after transplanting either way is fine.

Citrus said:

I would say the only time it would ever be too early is if you have no roots.

....that aside I think its pretty common to premix with myco, it will live in the soil before transplanting. Or do a soak after transplanting either way is fine.

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Good answer, +rep.

Yep, myco's need roots to grow. I dunk rooted clones in MycoGrow Soluble before transplanting into my mix.

Yeah, it will live in the soil and some mixes have this. Still, the roots have to find it before it does any good. Better than nothing, but dunking the clones or a soil drench after xplanting is mo betta.

Wet

i hopeing to Transplanting mine soon next week or so u just dig the hole in to what your transplanting to then add the mycorrhizae @ the bottom of hole were the roots ball well set, plus iv mix some in all ready in my soil for later on when roots are on the move,

its my first time to introduce it into my line up and from the reading i have done it i could find any definitive answers. as always thanks guys

Wetdog said:

Good answer, +rep.

Yep, myco's need roots to grow. I dunk rooted clones in MycoGrow Soluble before transplanting into my mix.

Yeah, it will live in the soil and some mixes have this. Still, the roots have to find it before it does any good. Better than nothing, but dunking the clones or a soil drench after xplanting is mo betta.

Wet

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Well, I don't really agree with this. If you introduce myco's to your soil and moisten it, they will grow as long as there is a food source in your soil for them to feed on. Mix up a small batch innoculate with your chosen microbes, wet the soil and wrap it up and leave in a warm place. Come back in a few weeks and you will see a full bloom of microbial activity that looks like a skin of mold over your soil. I do this with my veg and flowering mix so that they are alive and active at the time of transplant, it works great.

The beneficial bacteria will multiply, but mycorrhizae need roots to grow on. You would need a microscope to see them.

How do you think it's propagated? It needs a host plant/roots.

I'm propagating some now using alliums.

Wet

Wetdog said:

The beneficial bacteria will multiply, but mycorrhizae need roots to grow on. You would need a microscope to see them.

How do you think it's propagated? It needs a host plant/roots.

I'm propagating some now using alliums.

Wet

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If there is a carbohydrate source, and nitrogen is available, they can grow. Without those things, they need roots, yes.

I want to thank you all for your great comments. Since its my first time to utilize this fabulous additive I was simply worried about over doing it. I appreciate all the thoughts and comments as always. Lets all help each other for the benefit of all us out there!

wet vs wolv. you are both correct to some degree. endomyco needs roots to propagate. but there is much else in our inoculants and the ecto/tricho/bacteria live free.

never too early.

Matt Rize said:

wet vs wolv. you are both correct to some degree. endomyco needs roots to propagate. but there is much else in our inoculants and the ecto/tricho/bacteria live free.

never too early.

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Oh man, now you gone and done it, you're gonna make me fall down the rabbit hole trying to find a link to back up my assertion. I'll be back...

Wolverine97 said:

Oh man, now you gone and done it, you're gonna make me fall down the rabbit hole trying to find a link to back up my assertion. I'll be back...

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Good luck!

I tried to research all this about a year ago (propagating mycorrhizae).

Finally found a scant mention in a obscure Rodale article. They were using Leeks to grow the myco. Cut most of the roots off, chop them up and add to whatever you're planting. Re plant the leeks and grow some more.

Leeks do only so so for me, but found out mycos love alliums. Good deal since I do grow garlic, shallots and onions. Have over 20-5gal buckets going at the moment.

All in all though, it's just easier to dunk my stuff in a solution of MycoGrow Soluble at the time of transplant, or do a soil drench.

Wet

Wetdog said:

Good luck!

I tried to research all this about a year ago (propagating mycorrhizae).

Finally found a scant mention in a obscure Rodale article. They were using Leeks to grow the myco. Cut most of the roots off, chop them up and add to whatever you're planting. Re plant the leeks and grow some more.

Leeks do only so so for me, but found out mycos love alliums. Good deal since I do grow garlic, shallots and onions. Have over 20-5gal buckets going at the moment.

All in all though, it's just easier to dunk my stuff in a solution of MycoGrow Soluble at the time of transplant, or do a soil drench.

Wet

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I <3 shallots... thats a great post wet. very interesting stuff. I did not mean to stir the pot, lol, but this is a great topic and if wolv can find some info I'm down for reading about it. K+ all

I hope he can. It seems there is very little about propagating it, other than little snippets here and there.

Wet

Still working on it.

Land ahoy! Holy crap, after all of that it's right here in front of my face the whole time. In the current issue of Maximum Yield there is an article titled: "What Should We Know About Biological Innoculants?" I tried to link the page, but it's a .pdf link, so go to page 117-118 for the specific passage you're looking for, but the article starts a page or two before that. As usual with Maximum Yield, it's a pretty good read, very informative.

http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_feb_2011?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed

Excerpt: "However, for a freshly prepared organic soilless medium, inoculation with a particular organism can be beneficial to the plant being rooted in that medium if the organism applied is able to use substances existing in the medium as an energy source while providing growth enhancement to the plant. All micro organism's require an energy source to survive and grow- that energy source may exit primarily in the rooting medium itself, or..."

Ahh... vindication...

Rep's go here -->

Wetdog said:

Good deal since I do grow garlic, shallots and onions. Have over 20-5gal buckets going at the moment.

Wet

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Wet you always have something good to say. I have not bulbs, tumors in containers before. I have limited workable lit soil to grow in and would like to try this. I have about 1 1/2 yds of great compost that I have filled my beds with and would like to try the leeks, shallots and garlic in containers since they take so long I try not to dedicate soil space to them. I live in an area that has very hot summers, do you think is to late to start those now? That would normally winter over here.

Wolverine97 said:

Land ahoy! Holy crap, after all of that it's right here in front of my face the whole time. In the current issue of Maximum Yield there is an article titled: "What Should We Know About Biological Innoculants?" I tried to link the page, but it's a .pdf link, so go to page 117-118 for the specific passage you're looking for, but the article starts a page or two before that. As usual with Maximum Yield, it's a pretty good read, very informative.

http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_feb_2011?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed

Excerpt: "However, for a freshly prepared organic soilless medium, inoculation with a particular organism can be beneficial to the plant being rooted in that medium if the organism applied is able to use substances existing in the medium as an energy source while providing growth enhancement to the plant. All micro organism's require an energy source to survive and grow- that energy source may exit primarily in the rooting medium itself, or..."

Ahh... vindication...

Rep's go here -->

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Oh come on! I spent all that time looking for it, finally found it, and nobody's gonna see it now? I'ma bump this til I get mah rep!

snew said:

Wet you always have something good to say. I have not bulbs, tumors in containers before. I have limited workable lit soil to grow in and would like to try this. I have about 1 1/2 yds of great compost that I have filled my beds with and would like to try the leeks, shallots and garlic in containers since they take so long I try not to dedicate soil space to them. I live in an area that has very hot summers, do you think is to late to start those now? That would normally winter over here.

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snew first, LOL

You could try some onions or chives now, but it is too late for garlic and most shallots. The hot summer will just toast them.

The old saw for garlic and the French shallots is, "Plant on Halloween, harvest on the 4th of July"

They need to overwinter and like a nice long cool spring. Which I didn't get last year. and the results suffered.

I do containers for most things because our ground is like red concrete. Good ol southern red clay. It's a lot of pick work just to get a small tomato bed ready and that's with raised beds!

What I'm doing now is sort of a long term experiment with re cycling and that Rodale article on growing Mycorrhizae.

The reason behind all this is, I seem to have better results with 'used' mix, more than freshly made stuff. I would guess because stuff is broken down, micro herd well established, whatever. So, the thought came to me, why not amend a mix especially for re cycling along with a plant that would enhance the mix even further?

Last fall, I mixed up a batch of mix, hotter than LC's recipe, but not as hot as Super Soil. I substituted Alfalfa meal for the blood meal and also used some wheat bran meal. I also close to doubled the amounts of kelp meal and greensand. I made 12CuFt of this mix.

This got me 18-5gal buckets, mostly garlic and the rest French shallots. They are growing nicely. It needs to cool off again though. It's been much warmer than usual for this time of the year. Snow, yes. 70* temps, no.

The spring onions I will be planting sometime this or next week in re amended, re cycled mix from last season. The mix is still cooking. Not much of an experiment here, my wife wants the onions and I need the trash cans for fresh mix that I will be making. After, this will probably go on the garden as it has been in use for close to 3 years.

We'll see how it goes, but I would be growing the garlic and shallots anyway, so it seemed worthwhile to check it out.

Wet

Wolverine97 said:

Excerpt: "However, for a freshly prepared organic soilless medium, inoculation with a particular organism can be beneficial to the plant being rooted in that medium if the organism applied is able to use substances existing in the medium as an energy source while providing growth enhancement to the plant. All micro organism's require an energy source to survive and grow- that energy source may exit primarily in the rooting medium itself, or..."

Ahh... vindication...

Rep's go here -->

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And all that says exactly,.... what? There is a bunch of babble that gives no specific information at all.

I'll rep you for being persistent enough to locate that article, LOL, but it reads like a govt press release.

Lots of pretty ads though.

I'm not looking for an argument since we basically agree on this and it really doesn't matter as long as you use the stuff.

Wet