Question about my first grow,

theflowerman.dc

theflowerman.dc

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Hello everyone I am new to growing and I have a 4 x 8 tent I have two 600 W and one 900 W light in the middle I have an a good fan circulation but I just talked to couple people and they said i have had too many plants in there probably, i couldve could use half of them and train them the right way so here’s my question to everyone so far I want to say 4 x 6 area out of my 4 x 8 tent, the other 2x4 on the end is where i will be placing the dehumidifier and fans and stuff , and I have three rows of five plants in each row 13 of them are in 5 gallon and two of them are in 7 Gallon in the middle now what’s the best way should I train them should I do Scroge should I do bunch of topping or lst
What do you guys recommend for most yeild,

If i do scrog whats the best way to and when to scrog?

Whats the difference between sog and scrog?

Thank you everyone in advance help is appreciated
 
SchmoeJoe

SchmoeJoe

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theflowerman.dc said:
Hello everyone I am new to growing and I have a 4 x 8 tent I have two 600 W and one 900 W light in the middle I have an a good fan circulation but I just talked to couple people and they said i have had too many plants in there probably, i couldve could use half of them and train them the right way so here’s my question to everyone so far I want to say 4 x 6 area out of my 4 x 8 tent, the other 2x4 on the end is where i will be placing the dehumidifier and fans and stuff , and I have three rows of five plants in each row 13 of them are in 5 gallon and two of them are in 7 Gallon in the middle now what’s the best way should I train them should I do Scroge should I do bunch of topping or lst
What do you guys recommend for most yeild,

If i do scrog whats the best way to and when to scrog?

Whats the difference between sog and scrog?

Thank you everyone in advance help is appreciated
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That is a lot of plants for the area in anything but a Sea of Green style garden where the plants are flowered small and the lower per plant yield is made up for by growing more plants.

In scrog you grow less plants vegged longer and trained out to fill a SCreen Of Green. Many more tops from each plant so fewer plants. If you're not worried about plant numbers than doing more smaller plants with a shorter veg time will get you an extra crop at the end of the year if you're not vegging out your next set in a separate space. Other than that the big difference is that with scrog you have to deal with staying on top of training them and with sog you have to deal with watering more plants more often.
Scrog can give a better yield but as a new grower it would take some time to work those kinks and I'd say you're better off simplifying your processs so that you can focus on perfecting the basic essentials before moving on to other techniques.
 
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Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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I would keep your dehumidifier just outside the tent; it will throw heat. Did you say 2 600w and a 900w? I assume those are leds or it will be like an oven in there. You don't mention any ducting or carbon filtration; consider adding an inline ducted fan and a filter to kill smell if you haven't already.
Since you are new at this I suggest training them out individually and then flip when they are 2/3 the size you want them to finish at. Try doing a scrog or SOG style grow down the road after you get a few harvests under your belt. Besides a scrog or SOG grow is best using clones anyway. By then you will know what is what and can easier train the canopy out evenly. Use the time now to select mother plants for future SOG or scrog grows.
Plant count is the main difference between scrog and SOG growing. Either method can produce decent yields but it's really just 2 different schools of thought; many plants or just a few. You could get the exact same weight from either method because potential yield is governed by wattage. In a SOG you would have lots of tiny untrained plants whereas in a scrog you want less plants but they are vegged out for longer.
What your friends are trying to tell you is that plants that are topped and trained will yield out more than those same plants left untrained. You can squeeze more untrained plants into a space than you can trained out plants. Topping and lst training slows growth so you need a longer veg time to recover them but they will yield out much more in return. If you form the plants into a flat bush rather than a lanky tree they will yield more.
 
theflowerman.dc

theflowerman.dc

Active Member
Richard Drysift said:
I would keep your dehumidifier just outside the tent; it will throw heat. Did you say 2 600w and a 900w? I assume those are leds or it will be like an oven in there. You don't mention any ducting or carbon filtration; consider adding an inline ducted fan and a filter to kill smell if you haven't already.
Since you are new at this I suggest training them out individually and then flip when they are 2/3 the size you want them to finish at. Try doing a scrog or SOG style grow down the road after you get a few harvests under your belt. Besides a scrog or SOG grow is best using clones anyway. By then you will know what is what and can easier train the canopy out evenly. Use the time now to select mother plants for future SOG or scrog grows.
Plant count is the main difference between scrog and SOG growing. Either method can produce decent yields but it's really just 2 different schools of thought; many plants or just a few. You could get the exact same weight from either method because potential yield is governed by wattage. In a SOG you would have lots of tiny untrained plants whereas in a scrog you want less plants but they are vegged out for longer.
What your friends are trying to tell you is that plants that are topped and trained will yield out more than those same plants left untrained. You can squeeze more untrained plants into a space than you can trained out plants. Topping and lst training slows growth so you need a longer veg time to recover them but they will yield out much more in return. If you form the plants into a flat bush rather than a lanky tree they will yield more.
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My apologies for not enough information,

Yes they are all LED by viparspectra,

Strain are truffle shuffle, ak48, monkey bread, orange tang,

8 in duct fan with 8in carbon filter pulling 800 cfm,

Today was a week from when i put them in bigger pots and they looked like they were good so i topped them today all of them.

Havent fed them anything yet but when i did the transplant i used great white shark nut for roots and transplant shock.

I plan on using a scrog but just not sure when to do it,

Temp is staying between 72-80

Humidity is between 50-75

Lght is on 18-6 schedule
 
BudgetGrows

BudgetGrows

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Your pretty good for a first grow lol. Was going to chime in but they pretty much cover it up above there. I would suggest not to scrog just yet though as well. Get to know your plants first. You will thank yourself. Especially in that size area with that many plants. Keep in mind how to care for each pot. Can you reach the middle pots from outside the grow area? You will be restrained if you net them all in one big scrog. I do scrog often but on runs I don't, I personally live being able to pull my plants in and out. But that's just a personal preference really. Vipars are not bad lights. You will get about 50-50 on the reviews but I have personally ran them. I do know there blue spectrum quite outweighs the reds and I would highly recommend some supplemental bloom lights or 3000k leds as you go down the road. They will benefit you greatly in flower f your running the vipars
 
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