Public's faith in Obama hits a new low

doc111

doc111

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As we prepare for the November midterm elections, our glorious leader's popularity is slipping. Not the type of thing Obama and the dems need with the midterms looming so close. This could spell big trouble for the progressives. :shock:

Lawmakers in both parties are getting hammered as well. I honestly can't say that I'm all that surprised by this. What does everyone else think?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100713/us_nm/us_obama_poll
 
napa23

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Things aren't progressing as fast as everyone had hoped. So naturally, they blame the leader. It's expected, although IMO misdirected frustration. I think he's trying to get us on track, it's going to take some time though. People expect things to happen over night.
 
doc111

doc111

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napa23 said:
Things aren't progressing as fast as everyone had hoped. So naturally, they blame the leader. It's expected, although IMO misdirected frustration. I think he's trying to get us on track, it's going to take some time though. People expect things to happen over night.
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I agree that Americans want instant gratification and things are pretty bad. It's not just that things aren't getting fixed it's the way the dems are going about it. Our leaders bitch about the economy and yet they cut off unemployment to millions when we can ill afford it. Our leaders are out of touch with the people and we are sick of it! It's time to take back our country and hopefully Obama will be a catalyst for real change, not the bullshit campaign slogan but REAL, MEANINGFUL CHANGE!:joint:
 
napa23

napa23

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Are you sure that it's the democrats? I'm actually watching the news now. From what i understand, the democrats are trying to pass a bill to deal with that issue. Unemployment is running out and they're trying to pass a bill for it, but republicans are holding it up.
 
doc111

doc111

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napa23 said:
Are you sure that it's the democrats? I'm actually watching the news now. From what i understand, the democrats are trying to pass a bill to deal with that issue. Unemployment is running out and they're trying to pass a bill for it, but republicans are holding it up.
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That's interesting because the democrats control the house and the senate. Why do they even need republican votes? Both parties suck IMO, but the dems are in control so they get blamed. It's always this finger pointing and bickering with these fucks and I'm sick of it! They need to stop playing politics and do what is best for the country. If the democrats want to extend unemployment again then why don't they do it? Don't they have enough in their own party to get it done? I must be missing something here.:?
 
UncleBuck

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actually, ben nelson (d-ne) is technically hoding it up. also, the dude in charge of replacing byrd's seat announced he will take at least until the end of this week to name someone....to the chorus of about 2.5 million broke americans going 'WTF!!!!!'

broken politics at its finest.

meanwhile, kyl wants to extend the bush tax cuts on deficit spending while he calls UI 'evil' and votes against them....because they would be deficit spent......to the chorus of about 2.5 million broke americans going 'WTF!!!!!'
 
doc111

doc111

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UncleBuck said:
actually, ben nelson (d-ne) is technically hoding it up. also, the dude in charge of replacing byrd's seat announced he will take at least until the end of this week to name someone....to the chorus of about 2.5 million broke americans going 'WTF!!!!!'

broken politics at its finest.

meanwhile, kyl wants to extend the bush tax cuts on deficit spending while he calls UI 'evil' and votes against them....because they would be deficit spent......to the chorus of about 2.5 million broke americans going 'WTF!!!!!'
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It's bullshit! Unemployment has not changed at all in spite of all the stimulus and jobs bills. The Census workers are about done so those people will be in the ranks of the unemployed again. So we have millions of Americans who have little hope of finding a job because there aren't any and congress is playing politics and holding up another extension. Now I'm not advocating that people should be payed forever but let's get the unemployment numbers headed in the right direction before we cut off the only lifeline that millions of Americans are clinging to. It's pathetic and quite frankly has me mad as hell!:cuss:
 
UncleBuck

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i'm with you. even reagan kept UI going for 3 years (and W for 2 years).

hell, they both look like socialists now, what with their nanny state UI and their amnesty for illegals:o

where is that dude i voted for and his bully pulpit?


EDIT: i like to make angry calls to senators. how about we ring mr. nelson's line?

http://bennelson.senate.gov/contact-me.cfm
(402) 391-3411
(402) 441-4600
1-202-224-6551
 
NLXSK1

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Unemployment benefits have already been extended to 92 weeks in some places. THAT IS ALMOST 2 YEARS!

At some point it becomes welfare, not unemployment...
 
mame

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That's interesting because the democrats control the house and the senate. Why do they even need republican votes?
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The Dem's do not have a supermajority (60 seats) which leaves them open to filibuster. In todays partisan political environment, Republicians are trying to stick together as much as possible and are pretty much a single voice. On the Dem side, there are moderate Dems (one example being the blue dogs) that are very fiscally conservative and are pretty much unwilling to spend any more money for fear of public backlash (even though the public lashes out anyway).
 
UncleBuck

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NLXSK1 said:
Unemployment benefits have already been extended to 92 weeks in some places. THAT IS ALMOST 2 YEARS!

At some point it becomes welfare, not unemployment...
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welfare is for those who don't work.

UI is for those who lost their job THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

hard to call it welfare if it only goes to working people.

FAIL.
 
NLXSK1

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mame said:
The Dem's do not have a supermajority (60 seats) which leaves them open to filibuster. In todays partisan political environment, Republicians are trying to stick together as much as possible and are pretty much a single voice. On the Dem side, there are moderate Dems (one example being the blue dogs) that are very fiscally conservative and are pretty much unwilling to spend any more money for fear of public backlash (even though the public lashes out anyway).
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In addition to the fact that the Democrats passed the Pay-Go legislation touting that they would pay for everything they spent. However, they immediately disregarded that piece of legislation that they passed and started spending money without raising taxes or cutting spending elsewhere.

The Republicans have suggested that the unemployment benefits be paid out of some of the left over stimulus funds but the democrats dont want to do that.

3 sides to every debate...
 
mame

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It's a difficult issue, the unemployment checks...

there is only one job for every five Americans ATM, should we let them fall deeper into debt while they are already having a tough enough time getting from month to month?

But you cant just give everybody free money, the benifits are running out and everybody feels like they deserve it.

IMO extensions are needed for the worst off or people who can prove that they are trying.

For example, a family member of mine is a construction worker(drilling for bridges and whatnot). He has been having a very difficult time with work the last 1-2 years and is lucky to have a 30hr work week on his check. He is living partially on unemployment checks and is lucky enough to get spurts of work here and there to stay eligible. Prior to this recession this same man would pull 40-60+ hour workweeks every week for 20 years. IF work went completely dry(as it already is for tons of people) and his unemployment benifits ran out, I dont know how he would manage to bring home any bread for the mouths that he feeds.
 
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NoDrama

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IMO they shouldn't extend unemployment any more. People will find a way to make ends meet, they might lose everything in the process but its the natural order of things. The USA needs a major crash so that it can grow in the future, without the crash im afraid we will slowly sink into oblivion.
 
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redivider

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NLXSK1 said:
After 2 years of not working what would you classify someone as?
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as one of the many american citizens who are dealing with the full rage of the most severe recession in more than 60 years.

that number represents the longest estimate time unemployed people in the worst hit sectors, ex-auto workers who's plants have been shut down indefinetly, construction workers in florida, those people, yes, actual living breathing employees, are not working because there is no work available at the moment. those people, more than 1 million fellow americans, need some help.

it's easy to start talking macro-economics, and to paraphrase 'experts', when the reality of the situation is analyzed, almost every single honest economist will agree that cutting the flow of unemployment benefits to those that qualify will only hurt local economies.

you could start talking debt, GDP, spending.... but if the government turns a blind eye to it's own people when it's most needed, what the hell are we paying these people to do??

it's not welfare, these people paid into their federal and state unemployment for maybe months, maybe years, either way they deserve some sort of assistance.

when you consider the opportunity cost these people 'paid' for having a small amount of their paychecks automatically deducted every pay-check, and if you consider a lot of these people paid into these funds for 5, 10, 20 years, and that employers have to match the amount deducted from each employee, it's only fair to say that these unemployment benefits are EARNED. they're earned through hard-work....

welfare is something that's not earned, it's something you are somehow entitled to just for being you....

unemployment in the US is earned, by paying into it every single paycheck, and by having your employer match that amount quaterly.....
 
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redivider

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NoDrama said:
IMO they shouldn't extend unemployment any more. People will find a way to make ends meet, they might lose everything in the process but its the natural order of things. The USA needs a major crash so that it can grow in the future, without the crash im afraid we will slowly sink into oblivion.
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the US needs a crash?? what do you call the housing bubble burst?? how about Hummer, Saturn, Pontiac (all american companies), going out of business??

how about the faultering of the Retail Sector?? Circuit City, Borders, Linens N Things, BlockBuster.... all staples of american retail.....all of those companies have either ceased operating, or cut capacity by almost 80%

how about the almost deceased record industry?? 8 times platinum is a thing of the past.... how about the truth that live concert performance ticket sales dropped 14% from last year, leaving the hundreds of thousands of event promotion and execution companies cutting heads all around....

the when the dot-com bubble burst, that was considered a very serious and devastating crash.... it doesn't hold a candle to what's happening now....

and you want it to get worse..... amazing...
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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redivider said:
as one of the many american citizens who are dealing with the full rage of the most severe recession in more than 60 years.

that number represents the longest estimate time unemployed people in the worst hit sectors, ex-auto workers who's plants have been shut down indefinetly, construction workers in florida, those people, yes, actual living breathing employees, are not working because there is no work available at the moment. those people, more than 1 million fellow americans, need some help.

it's easy to start talking macro-economics, and to paraphrase 'experts', when the reality of the situation is analyzed, almost every single honest economist will agree that cutting the flow of unemployment benefits to those that qualify will only hurt local economies.

you could start talking debt, GDP, spending.... but if the government turns a blind eye to it's own people when it's most needed, what the hell are we paying these people to do??

it's not welfare, these people paid into their federal and state unemployment for maybe months, maybe years, either way they deserve some sort of assistance.

when you consider the opportunity cost these people 'paid' for having a small amount of their paychecks automatically deducted every pay-check, and if you consider a lot of these people paid into these funds for 5, 10, 20 years, and that employers have to match the amount deducted from each employee, it's only fair to say that these unemployment benefits are EARNED. they're earned through hard-work....

welfare is something that's not earned, it's something you are somehow entitled to just for being you....

unemployment in the US is earned, by paying into it every single paycheck, and by having your employer match that amount quaterly.....
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It is known as unemployment INSURANCE. It insures that you get a check for a set amount of time.

The fundamental problem is the government right now. They pushed healthcare through they are pushing a massive cap and trade bill. They are discussing cutting the deduction for mortgage interest and means testing for medicare. The government is BROKE and they are trying to grab up every available dollar. The Bush tax cuts will expire at the end of the year and that will add an even bigger burden to the small business owners.

I hate to break it to ya but the job market is not going to get significantly better within 6 months to 2 years. The government is going in exactly the opposite direction of Regan when he took office in the middle of a similar financial crisis. And we already have solid proof that the actions they are taking are not creating jobs, actually they are causing jobs to be cut and putting more financial pressures on businesses.

So, how long do you feel the taxpayers owe to pay the unemployed? 4 years? 5 years? 10 years? How long does unemployment supposedly last in your reality?
 
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