Psilocybe Cubensis Potency Variation

Hey everyone,
About 10 yrs ago I grew my own cubes as well as Peruvian Torch Cactus.
At that time, I would trip once per week, my usual dose being 6g of powdered
shrooms made into a Tea. They taste like shit, so I opted on getting them down
as painlessly as possible. I've grown Various strains of P.Cubensis without Much
notable difference in potency with 1-2 exceptions. Once, I inoculated small 1/4 pint
jars with Amazonian strain (from original P.Fanaticus). Colonization occurred very fast
and soon they were ready for my 10 gal aquarium. The Shrooms were all on the small
side, an there weren't many. I picked what dried to be 3-4 grams. Upon drying, they
turned a DARK blue, indigo black color, which I have never seen in a cubie. I took the
shrooms and had the WILDEST, most INTENSE TRIP I've ever had, (I had been tripping regularly for years)
Complete with eye-popping,melting visuals and auditory hallucinations. It was Fuckin Wicked, and I've been searching
for THAT trip ever since. The average cubie is too weak for me, an I'm considering my options on growing a
more potent strain, like Pan Cyanecens , or P. Azurescens at home. Any opinions on this are most welcome ! Here's my glo-stick and speed haze bud, ready to go _~ Cheers !

P. azurescens will take a while and will have to be outside. Pan cyans. will do it or if you want to stick with P. cubensis check out the penis envy* variants. Some people have also noticed greater potency with a longer consolidation time.

technical dan said:

P. azurescens will take a while and will have to be outside. Pan cyans. will do it or if you want to stick with P. cubensis check out the penis envy* variants. Some people have also noticed greater potency with a longer consolidation time.

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'm sure u mean "colonization" time. I am sick of cubes In general. P.Azure and Pans are the only ones I will invest time in. Pans are TINY.. so there is a trade-off. Azurecens is at the top of my list, but I know those little devils need a very specific and cold environment. More Imput !!!
(the robot from the movie Short- Circuit)./ _~

You will need a hard wood that was cut in the spring in order for the sugar content to be highest. You are best using corregated cardboard as a spawning media and you should use a combination of small chips, coarse sawdust and a bit of very fine sawdust brought to just under field capacity and kept at rather low temperatures. I have found that azurescence definitely needs a cold shock (Cubes benifit from it, but it is not necessary). This shock can confound new azur growers. I also found that a light leaf mulch "casing" I use quotes because it isn't in my mind a true casing. Your air exchange system will need a plenum if you are working indoors so that you can precondition the atmosphere before it is pumped into your chamber, otherwise you will battle with drying substrate throughout the course of your grow.

I have also found that disturbing the medium does hinders producton so you must wait for the mycelium to run rather than shaking your containers (although I have done wood to wood transfers that will accelerate initial spawn in mixed media. Colonize chips in jars and then do a clean or sterile transfer of the chips into sawdust. Each chip will be an innoculation point and you will have a far shorter collonization time.

You can also innoculate "flats" of cardboard and layer the cardboard between your wood preparation.

Is it possible to cultivate P. Azurescens indoors? For example, using a refrigerator to store the substrate to simulate a winter season before fruiting?

thetester said:

Is it possible to cultivate P. Azurescens indoors? For example, using a refrigerator to store the substrate to simulate a winter season before fruiting?

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I have done it several times. As I said, it is tough on the electric bill.

canndo said:

I have done it several times. As I said, it is tough on the electric bill.

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How much more potent are the Azures ? I routinely took 5g/dry of p. cubensis and decided they are too weak- (with the exception of 1 case) when a particular batch of Amazonians ended up Extremely POTENT and dried to an idigo-black color. I have been looking for "that" shroom, ever since -

no I dont mean colonization, consolidation is the time after full colonization prior to fruiting and fruiting conditions. Penis envy variants tend to produce mutants called blobs for the first flush, with more consolidation time there are fewer if any blobs.

I read Paul Stammets books and he likes the wood species over cubies... Have you looked into shitake farms? They use logs! I think oak works and it is everywhere. I only have exp with cubies, but research all of it.

Thanks for the replies guys, I'll look into the P.Envy - it may be worth a run. Looking into various DMT extractions also _~

I've never encountered 'weak' strains really. I recall having some strains stronger than others. Most notable to me was the penis envy strain. I'm not sure how often you are tripping on chemicals or mushrooms for that matter, but when I was enjoying trips on the biweekly basis, I found I needed higher doses. I was never one take take epic doses, and generally enjoyed 3.5 grams per trip, sometimes pushing it to 5 grams. I do recall with Penis Envy, 2 grams was easily rivaling 3.5 grams of other strains. I only cultivated cubes. I was interested in others, but due to being indoors it is rathering limiting without putting additional effort and work into cultivating other types.

cyanescans were easily the most potent, coolest wildest mushrooms i've ever eaten. a little over a gram was scaring some people, but i just got this feeling of lightness and insane beautiful organic kaleidescopic pattern visuals

I think I will just stick to mescaline x-traction from Trichocereus species. The mdma- like effect along with Lsd- type visuals sounds like a blast, not to mention learning what mescalito has to teach me _~

indicat33 said:

Hey everyone,
About 10 yrs ago I grew my own cubes as well as Peruvian Torch Cactus.
At that time, I would trip once per week, my usual dose being 6g of powdered
shrooms made into a Tea. They taste like shit, so I opted on getting them down
as painlessly as possible. I've grown Various strains of P.Cubensis without Much
notable difference in potency with 1-2 exceptions. Once, I inoculated small 1/4 pint
jars with Amazonian strain (from original P.Fanaticus). Colonization occurred very fast
and soon they were ready for my 10 gal aquarium. The Shrooms were all on the small
side, an there weren't many. I picked what dried to be 3-4 grams. Upon drying, they
turned a DARK blue, indigo black color, which I have never seen in a cubie. I took the
shrooms and had the WILDEST, most INTENSE TRIP I've ever had, (I had been tripping regularly for years)
Complete with eye-popping,melting visuals and auditory hallucinations. It was Fuckin Wicked, and I've been searching
for THAT trip ever since. The average cubie is too weak for me, an I'm considering my options on growing a
more potent strain, like Pan Cyanecens , or P. Azurescens at home. Any opinions on this are most welcome ! Here's my glo-stick and speed haze bud, ready to go _~ Cheers !

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Indicate no disrespect but if the normal cubes ain't strong enuff then just take x10 ?

When you grow cubes lower the temp to about 68F when in fruiting. This will make them supper potent and they will grow much slower because of it. Thats with any cube. Penis envy and albino penis envy are pretty potent. If you fruited some APE at 68F I'm sure you will find what you're looking for.

MadDog607 said:

When you grow cubes lower the temp to about 68F when in fruiting. This will make them supper potent and they will grow much slower because of it. Thats with any cube. Penis envy and albino penis envy are pretty potent. If you fruited some APE at 68F I'm sure you will find what you're looking for.

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although I don't know enough to say otherwise, my bullshit radars going off here

No bullshit buddy. Very true. Everyone I know that grows fruits as close to 68F as they can for extra potency. I have fruited at different temps. The higher the temp the stems will be more hollow and less potent every time. I have fruited at 75F and people were complaining about potency. Of course they were being spoiled with the lower temp shrooms but none the less it was noticeable. On the other hand of the temps are too low growth will slow down too much or stop all together. The reason PE and APE is so potent is because it grows so slow. A regular cube will be on its second flush while the PE or APE will still be on its first. If you don't believe me do a side by side. Fruit one tub at above 75F+ and another at 68F. See for yourself.

MadDog607 said:

No bullshit buddy. Very true. Everyone I know that grows fruits as close to 68F as they can for extra potency. I have fruited at different temps. The higher the temp the stems will be more hollow and less potent every time. I have fruited at 75F and people were complaining about potency. Of course they were being spoiled with the lower temp shrooms but none the less it was noticeable. On the other hand of the temps are too low growth will slow down too much or stop all together. The reason PE and APE is so potent is because it grows so slow. A regular cube will be on its second flush while the PE or APE will still be on its first. If you don't believe me do a side by side. Fruit one tub at above 75F+ and another at 68F. See for yourself.

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Although I have never tested it, I have consistantly heard reports that the slower growing strains were at least slightly more potent. I would guess that if one purposefully slowed growth one could get more potent fruit. As far as the hollow stems are concerned, I have found this to be more a function of the strain than growing conditions. I could be wrong though. What I do know is that the substrate, baring specific chemicals that are precursors of the chemicals the mushroom makes, will have little affect on the potency.

I have grown the exact same strain at different temps. The higher temps had thinner hollow stems and were considerably less potent. The lower temps were more dense thicker and way more potent. Test it yourself. You'll see.