Prop 19 Loosing Major Ground!?
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Viagro
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The Santa Cruz mtns until recently. Why?
My opinion is just an opinion. Like all the rest.
Viagro
Well-Known Member
Sometimes it's one step backwards before two steps forward.
I suspect you'll win this battle, while losing the war.
your insults still don't change the fact that prop 19 won't offer anyone any more protection then 215 offered you.Yeah, cling to that, you'll sleep better young man.
From the feds, true, but it will protect you from state police when they can't arrest you. I-19 is a road to freedom, not the destination. I'd rather have it than more DEA raids, drug dealers, cartels, and even local police involved.
except he was raided by the state employed police under 215. a state prop. prop 19 will give him no more protection then 215 gave him. it's pretty simple to see.
SwungChris
Member
Yeah this stuff is real complex. I wish there were some classes to take or something. What a dumb ass.
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
I've won my war.
I'll be talking to a bunch of people in the next year on how to get this right.
No more bullshit power grabs.
Time to put Cannabis next to the pumpkins at the farmer's market.
Santa Cruz Mountains?
Do you know Valerie Corale?(Not sure if that's spelled correctly. It's been a while.)
sm0keyrich510
Active Member
this is simply not true. at the end of the day the government would have every right to come to cali and start arresting everyone under prop 19 for possession, cultivation, etc.
remember california belongs to the u.s.a....not the other way around.
at the very least the government could punish ca by not giving ca any grant money (which is used for a WIDE range of things from education, to roads, mass transit, etc.) which they can do...or they can do just like i said and knock on the door of prop 19 businesses and throw them in jail because the federal laws over ride the state laws. period. especially when there is the whole schedule 1 drugs document where it states marijuana is illegal on a federal level..trust me the governments hands wont be tied...but the growers/sellers will damn sure have their hands tied...behind their back in cuffs. thing about it, if states had more authority than the government then the government wouldnt exist.
california is a state in a union of states...not its own country.
desert dude
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All the things you say are things the federal government can do, I agree. But that wasn't the question. The question was whether the feds have a SUPREMACY clause argument, i.e. can they get the courts to strike down P19 as unconstitutional. That they can not do.
As to your other scenario of the feds withholding funds. I would like to see the feds try to withhold funds as a way to punish CA voters for voting. A Democrat president punishing a mostly Democrat state for exercising their voting rights, and their conscience, in a democratic way. Put down the bong and think this through.
sm0keyrich510
Active Member
remember this SAME president said the feds would not go after MEDICAL (ie. prop 215) marijuana. RECREATIONAL (prop 19) marijuana is something different (and prop 19 makes marijuana recreational).
the feds are not powerless and california does not have the right to vote in something that DIRECTLY conflicts with federal law..prop 215 doesnt go against federal law...prop 19 does...
prop 215 was about decriminalization and the abilty to use mj medicinally. thats why the feds are more accepting of prop 19. they've already admitted they will not tolerate this measure (or respect it) should it pass.
the feds WOULD hold funds if that was their only option as they will not be bullied by one state...its more likely they would make an example out of CA..the WRONG example to set with so many states wanting to legalize.
medical marijuana and/or decriminalization is something EVERY state can pass (or not if they choose not to) but LEGALIZATION will have to come from the federal level if its going to work, be fair, and successful. period.
desert dude
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Well, if you are so terrified by the feds then vote no on P19. Personally, I welcome the fight with the feds; it is long overdue, I voted yes.
I suspect you are in for a long wait if you are waiting for the feds say, "after thinking about it for 40 years and spending a trillion dollars, we have decided we were wrong so we are going to dismantle all of the drug bureaucracies and let freedom rein..." The ONLY way the war on drugs will end is if the people force the issue.
By the way, you are wrong on the withholding funds issue, and on your assertion that CA has no right to enact P19, there is no difference between P215 and P19 with regards to the feds.
Serapis
Well-Known Member
Wake up and get a clue dude.... The locale of an opinion doesn't matter. This issue is being debated all over the world now because of prop 19. It doesn't matter where he or she lives, their opinion is just as valid as yours when it comes to the debate. If you don't see that, you are just acting ignorant.
I'm posting in this manner because when The Ruiner runs into a debater with hard to answer questions on 19, he resorts to telling the person their opinion doesn't matter if they aren't in California.... I find that to be pretty short sighted. The debate can go on regardless, if The ruiner actually had facts and could debate.
deprave
New Member
I think there is a lot of people who actually understand why they are voting 'no' but for many people the reason is fear and propaganda, when the enemy of the people are fighting so hard to spread their blatant lies and propaganda - how can you sit back and support this evil fear campaign against the people.
Regardless of any fears I may have or personal reasons, the government and corporations has threatened the people on this, and If I stood on the 'yes' or the 'no' side then I would vote 'yes' to fight the oppressors and win one for the people. Please vote yes! Do this one for people all around the world! Dont be a dousche! (lol!)
This lie has to end ASAP - 70 years is long enough!
Regardless of any fears I may have or personal reasons, the government and corporations has threatened the people on this, and If I stood on the 'yes' or the 'no' side then I would vote 'yes' to fight the oppressors and win one for the people. Please vote yes! Do this one for people all around the world! Dont be a dousche! (lol!)
This lie has to end ASAP - 70 years is long enough!
TokinPodPilot
Well-Known Member
Except you won't be the one having to do the fighting. You talk a good game, but you won't be the one risking anything.
https://www.rollitup.org/legalization-marijuana/367374-riu-prop19-poll-vote-here-post4842662.html#post4842662
Although this does explain the peanut gallery posting and argumentation that you seem to favor. Now I begin to understand that part of the problem is at least partly ignorance-based. But please continue with your armchair quarterbacking... it seems appropriate that you're the forum equivalent of the poseur yelling at the athletes on his TV.
Dan Kone
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Oh come on. That's such an unnecessary scare tactic. I understand if you don't like prop 19, but you don't need to resort to that. If you want to oppose prop 19, do it by bringing up legitimate realistic points.
The DEA does not have the resources to patrol the streets of California looking out for people they suspect of having a joint or a few plants in their closet. Basically, that's a bunch of crap.
They could, but they won't. The recession is much more important to the federal government then prop 19. California's recovery is crutial to the recovery of the country.
You really think Obama would economically damage California in order to oppose prop 19? The headline could read "Obama puts country into a depression, but it's ok because he got Californian's back for prop 19!"
Never going to happen!
That they can do, but to a very limited extent. If there are thousands of these businesses, then they don't have the resources to even make a dent. They'd have to pull DEA agents away from the cartels in Mexico which could potentially over throw the Mexican government or pull agents out of Afghanistan investigating Al Queda/Taliban opium trading where the profits go towards killing American soldiers.
The DEA has it's hands full right now. They don't have the resources to go through California arresting business owners. They'll arrest a few people in a show trial, then move on.
You aren't being realistic here. If this were 1998 this would be a real concern. But now, not so much.
Dan Kone
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I'm very disappointed in their lack of ad buys.
I'm under the impression that it costs a lot of $$$ and neither side has very much money.