"pre 98" ??

hi all , what happen in 98 ?

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la resistance verte said:

hi all , what happen in 98 ?

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Things changed.


Pre 98 the bubba was good and strong. Easy to grow, covered in trichs, and reeked of dank and coffee. The taste was just as wonderful as the smell and buzz.

la resistance verte said:

hi all , what happen in 98 ?

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Feminized seeds started becoming prominent amongst the major seed companies.
At home breeders started infusing those genetics into their breeding projects, "watering down" the cannabis gene pool, as many would say.
Thus, Pre-98 is considered to be superior because it is, for lack of a better word, still "pure".
There were multiple cuts of Bubba Kush floating around, but people were claiming that they weren't the original, just crosses.
Eventually, the Pre-98 Bubba Kush cut emerged, and what made it special was that it hadn't been "watered down" through crossing.

Bad Karma said:

Feminized seeds started becoming prominent amongst the major seed companies.
At home breeders started infusing those genetics into their breeding projects, "watering down" the cannabis gene pool, as many would say.
Thus, Pre-98 is considered to be superior because it is, for lack of a better word, still "pure".
There were multiple cuts of Bubba Kush floating around, but people were claiming that they weren't the original, just crosses.
Eventually, the Pre-98 Bubba Kush cut emerged, and what made it special was that it hadn't been "watered down" through crossing.

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I don't think feminized seeds where even a thought in 98.. I could be wrong of.course, but for what I know, I don't really thinks FEMS where any where near being popular in 98..
As far as FEMS watering down genetics, I also think that's a load of hogwash and something pushed by breeders like subcool, who would rather put out Hermie prone regs than stable FEMS..

As far as pre98, it's just believed it.is the original bubba kush cut is all.. a few months ago in high times, the supposed breeder of bubba og did an interview and he said pre98 is.complete bullshit and it was never labeled as such. Not that I believe everything I read in ht's, I'm just telling what the article said..

racerboy71 said:

I don't think feminized seeds where even a thought in 98.. I could be wrong of.course, but for what I know, I don't really thinks FEMS where any where near being popular in 98..
As far as FEMS watering down genetics, I also think that's a load of hogwash and something pushed by breeders like subcool, who would rather put out Hermie prone regs than stable FEMS..

As far as pre98, it's just believed it.is the original bubba kush cut is all.. a few months ago in high times, the supposed breeder of bubba og did an interview and he said pre98 is.complete bullshit and it was never labeled as such. Not that I believe everything I read in ht's, I'm just telling what the article said..

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That's the story I had heard and read from several sources.
I misspoke when I said prominent, 98 is when fem seeds first hit the market.
I'm not hear to support, or damn fem seeds, I was just trying to answer the question.

As for Pre-98 Bubba Kush being real and or different from the rest of the Bubba's, having smoked several of them, I have a theory on that.
I do believe Pre-98 is real, it's effects are much different than others called Bubba Kush.
For me, the other Bubba's are solid indicas, and deliver a stone that feels as such.
Pre-98, when I've had it, feels like a you've smoked a bottle of ibuprofun, and anything like arthritis just disappears, with almost no noticeable high/stone.
What I feel happened is that the original Bubba Kush, the Pre-98, is a high CBD plant (like over 10%).
That's what was lost in all of those crosses, the mega CBD's, although some crosses held onto a sliver.

I gonna be a mad motherfucker if the pre-98 Bubba dom pheno of my CCK from Dynasty has "almost no noticeable high/stone", lol.

Pre-98 BK is a great cut. It has strength and flavor, perhaps not as tasty as the Katsu cut, but stronger in my experience. I like the crosses Bodhi has released with his "original bubba" cut, that he says was the pre-pre-98, or pre-92 Bubba. They have all had my favorite flavor elements of the Bubba Kush cuts, most have had the incredible power of the Bubba, and they have all yielded as well or better than the current Bubba cuts I have grown.

On a non-Bubba Kush related note, the 90's were really the golden age of Dutch genetics, before their parent stocks were lost or lost vigor. I think that a lot of the current stock from those companies is f2 or later, which is why many there are many excellent cuts from the 90's era releases of Sensi, GHS, Paradise, Federation, and the like.

On the note of breeding with femmes, I think it just depends on which femme. I mean, to say you shouldn't breed with seeds created by two female plants would be the same as saying that you shouldn't breed with OGs or Chems, or any other elite that came out of bagseed from an accidental herm. On the genetic level, it is easy for me to see where the philosophy of not breeding with feminized seeds comes from, but at the same time I think that disregarding feminized seeds entirely would be folly. If you find an excellent female plant, that you feel has top notch genetics, and it just happens to have come from female seed stock, then by all means breed with it. Personally, I have rarely found feminized seeds to have the vigor of well bred regular seeds, but I have found some.

Bad Karma said:

That's the story I had heard and read from several sources.
I misspoke when I said prominent, 98 is when fem seeds first hit the market.
I'm not hear to support, or damn fem seeds, I was just trying to answer the question.

As for Pre-98 Bubba Kush being real and or different from the rest of the Bubba's, having smoked several of them, I have a theory on that.
I do believe Pre-98 is real, it's effects are much different than others called Bubba Kush.
For me, the other Bubba's are solid indicas, and deliver a stone that feels as such.
Pre-98, when I've had it, feels like a you've smoked a bottle of ibuprofun, and anything like arthritis just disappears, with almost no noticeable high/stone.
What I feel happened is that the original Bubba Kush, the Pre-98, is a high CBD plant (like over 10%).
That's what was lost in all of those crosses, the mega CBD's, although some crosses held onto a sliver.

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That's very interesting. I've mentioned on other threads recently my affection for a TGA Ripped Bubba mom that totally surprised me with how much I like it. A good part of it, is that immediate pain relief begins washing over and soothing a tired and complaining back by about toke 4, while still getting a fine uplifting high. The RB is supposed to be 50/50 pre 98 and JTR, so your theory sounds makes sense to me

racerboy71 said:

I don't think feminized seeds where even a thought in 98.. I could be wrong of.course, but for what I know, I don't really thinks FEMS where any where near being popular in 98..
As far as FEMS watering down genetics, I also think that's a load of hogwash and something pushed by breeders like subcool, who would rather put out Hermie prone regs than stable FEMS..

As far as pre98, it's just believed it.is the original bubba kush cut is all.. a few months ago in high times, the supposed breeder of bubba og did an interview and he said pre98 is.complete bullshit and it was never labeled as such. Not that I believe everything I read in ht's, I'm just telling what the article said..

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that mother fucker wasn't the breeder.... the pre 98 bubba is not a phenol of northern lights

As much weed as this community has smoked in the years prior to 98 is a blurrrrrrr...and for anyone who thinks that a (pre 98 cut) is even still available is crazy.. Unless it comes from the source you don't actually know what you have.. Breeders and back yard growers called breeders are mixing pollen with what ever they can get there hands on especially before 98.. This is just my opinion on the so called pre 98 cut.. So as stated above 98 was a blurrrrrrr and opinions are like assholes everyone has one and 99% stink.. Lol..

This is one of the reasons I don't chase cuts. Besides the stupid pricing on some of them, you simply can't prove it's lineage.
Besides all those cuts at one point came from ceed, why not pop some and see what you find.

TonightYou said:

This is one of the reasons I don't chase cuts. Besides the stupid pricing on some of them, you simply can't prove it's lineage.
Besides all those cuts at one point came from ceed, why not pop some and see what you find.

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what stupid priceing on them.... 10 bux for a rooted clone in cali clone only..... 20 bux will get u a much bigger clone called a "teen"

They have those pricings in MI, but again I question if it's the real deal and if honestly it's better than growing some good ceeds.

Plus I've had pests I'm my garden, last thing i want is more problems when I've had none since early fall.

what's happening express?

racerboy71 said:

I don't think feminized seeds where even a thought in 98.. I could be wrong of.course, but for what I know, I don't really thinks FEMS where any where near being popular in 98..
As far as FEMS watering down genetics, I also think that's a load of hogwash and something pushed by breeders like subcool, who would rather put out Hermie prone regs than stable FEMS..

As far as pre98, it's just believed it.is the original bubba kush cut is all.. a few months ago in high times, the supposed breeder of bubba og did an interview and he said pre98 is.complete bullshit and it was never labeled as such. Not that I believe everything I read in ht's, I'm just telling what the article said..

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i totaly agree with you racerboy, no fem in 98 , also notice now there not only the bubba who is "pre98" ...

I have a pre 98 bubba cut here in Michigan. Its easy to grow, can handle heat, high feed, taste is amazing. I've had it for a while and they guy I got it from truly had it pre 98.

if your talking about pre98 bubba. the original bubba(katsu) was a single cola plant with little to no side branching. you could get cuts of it all over the place years ago, then it`s popularity dropped off. when it came back to popularity it was kind of a bushier plant with similar flavor and buzz, but not the same.

i really don`t remember exactly when the female seed thing took off but it was more around `05-`06. i don`t think that the term pre98 has anything to do with female seeds. this all from my memory not some post somewhere so take it for what its worth.

the katsu bubba is the original and the best quality wise and the pre 98 is a cross

Pre 98 is the watered down version, atleast from what I've smoked of it.
Similar flavors + higher yields(bigger buds), but the buzz is seriously lacking.

Bodhi uses the pre92/katsu in his crosses.
I'm hoping he makes enough of the Deadly Bubba cross that I can get a couple pack before they sell out.

i dont know if its been CORRECTLY clarified but...

pre-98 is kind of a "label" thats been created thru ignorance.

there really shouldn't be a pre/post - 98 anything (in kush/bubba/bubba kush)

ive read and heard the story many times now, and its mostly all in the High Times article about the creation of bubba kush


there was a plant called BUBBA. there was another plant called KUSH(which is actually the "og kush" or "krippy" as it is now called.) the KUSH hermied, and pollenated the BUBBA. that is how Bubba Kush exists. pre 98 or not.

there is no bubble gum or master kush or any of that crap involved in the real thing.

bubba was a VERY VERY indica heavy strain. ive read/heard that its origins are from a batch of northern lights.

they had another strain that was "kush". It was a very stretchy/tall, hard to grow, low yielding strain that produced a very good end product.
"Bubba" (the person) says in HT that he isnt sure where they got the kush name from, as it wasnt a typical hindu kush, and "bubba" himself claims he had never even heard of a strain called kush or hindu kush at that point in his life yet. This strain went on... and supposedly is the strain we all now know as krippy, or the original kush, or OG kush. He claims they had to change the name because other bud was popping up with the name "kush" attached to it, and it was totally different.

they had a hard time keeping both the bubba and the kush due to the differences in growth. they even had a couple other strains. eventually they decided to drop the bubba along with some of the other strains for whatever reason. the bubba (idk about the others they dropped) was too much of a hassle to keep from the sounds of it.

They got lucky... one of the many people buying the buds from all of this was B real of Cypress Hill. Seeds were found in the bag he got, and they were the BUBBA that they had decided to cull, mixed with that "OG kush" they had.

Those seeds are supposedly where Bubba Kush came from. basically an accident, like many good strains.

so really pre 98 shouldnt mean anything... yet typically people tend to think the "pre98" label means that it is the real/original thing. I pay no attention to the Pre - 98 label for the most part.

Unfortunately there are many imitations of the REAL Bubba Kush. So many folks think if its not labeled "pre98" its not the original bubba kush. Some strains labeled pre98 are still imitations or are not the original anyways. so thats a good reason to use caution when trying to find some good bubba kush seeds.

I personally have grown 2 major breeders' bubba kush:
1. (early 2010, i believe) GHS - Bubba Kush. grew very well all around other than being very mold susceptible, very indica but not extreme. end product was horrible, nothing at all like most bubba kush ive had. certainly not the real thing, certainly didnt like it, and it was a waste of space/time/$$.

2. (2012) The Cali Connection - pre98 bubba kush. one of the slowest growing strains ever in veg... took forever, and ever, to get a decent size in order to yield just an ounce. very little stretch/growth in flower as well, its hard to get this one to yield good without a long veg. it DID stretch just a tad bit tho... it would be noticeable next to an LA Affie or something else with no stretch, but hard to tell otherwise if u have little exp with it. the final product was VERY good, very nice high. the taste was "kushy", a bit sweet, and earthy/coffee/dark chocolate. i would say this is real bubba kush imo.

ive also grown a clone labeled "pre98 bubba kush", it grew just like the TCC one and was very nice end product but low yield. nearly same taste. I also got lucky and found one single seed in a HUGE batch of what was being called just "bubba kush". no pre 98 name on it at all. it grew just like the TCC one and the clone i had... very nice bud. wish it yielded better.

AGAIN! to answer the OP: pre 98 shouldnt mean anything... yet typically people tend to think the "pre98" label means that it is the real/original thing. I pay no attention to the Pre - 98 label for the most part. its confusing, basically there is just the real thing, and then there are imitations/hybrids. the pre98 label can be misleading.