Please Help strange gooey stuff

Mgrowing

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I have an outdoor grow on east coast in New hampsire. I noticed this problem 2 days ago. I am in third week of flower. Randomly on a few plants I noticed this cream colored paste building up in corners of nodes. It has an oatmeal consistency and only in corners. When I wipe it away there is a small hole that goes into the hollow part of the stem. I don't see a bug but looks like a bug chewing into stem but I don't see a bug and it is just random on only a few plants that can see so far. seems to weaken the branch and main cola and need to know what it is and how to save the plants before it gets worse. Please help20130830_152218.jpg20130830_152304.jpg20130830_152335.jpg20130830_152347.jpg20130830_152411.jpg20130830_152533.jpg20130830_152543.jpg20130830_153123.jpg
 

joe macclennan

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my guess is that you have some sort of bug burrowing into your stalks and that"gooey" stuff is it's excretement. You deffinitely have a bug/bugs burrowing into it.
 

jbrown3

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friend had the same problem and all he did was put tape over the hole. and welllllaaa it healed
 

jbrown3

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but then again now that i think about i dont remember seeing creamy shit all over, he had a big black hole that looked like some sci fi shit. almost as if it was going to eat you hahaha
 

Mr. Anomaly

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From what i can see you broke or removed one of your branches (most likely broke because it does not look clean) and due to excessive humidity in the area it has become infected with botrytis (brown mold or grey mold). That branch should be sprayed with an anti fungal and then wrapped! In the future when you break branches treat them with something along the lines of serenade anti fungal. Really hope that helps!
 

Mr. Anomaly

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botrytis can also infect small cuts or stab marks and eat it away. The fact that its brown and slimy is a dead giveaway.
 

SxIstew

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P.S. 100% NOT bugs.
If you can say 100% it's not bugs....
Why does it look exactly like this?


I found this after looking at his pics. and they look VERY similar in some.







I'm 26 days into outdoor flowering, and I'm having an insect problem.

Details:

Outdoor - Organic Soil 7g Pots

The plants have had their leaves sprayed with diluted neem oil a week or so before flowering, and a week into flowering. I've started seeing these brown worms, I crushed them all before I remembered I needed them for pictures, but I think their the culprits. As of today, I used the neem oil in a systemic approach. I watered the plants with diluted neem oil, and really soaked the leaves from top and bottom. I've never seen the ones in the holes, once they go in I don't know what the hell their doing.
If it's budworms as I suspect, I'm planning on purchasing some brand of Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) to treat the problem. My question is, could I get a type of meat injector and inject the Bt in the hole and hopefully force "it" to consume the Bt.

The main question I am asking is, what do you think it is, will Bt be good, and would carefully "injecting" Bt in the wormhole kill, or do more damage than the worms are?


Here's the what those burrowing bastards did to my girls.

Flowering Day 26

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Eggs?

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Thanks, I hope we can figure this out!

Peace
:leaf:
My Enemy

European Corn Borer Control

Description: A major pest of corn, the European corn borer (Ostrinia nubilalis) will also feed on over 300 different garden plants, including peppers, snap beans, potatoes, tomatoes, apples and gladiolus. Damage to corn is caused by the young larvae, which chew leaves and tassels. Later they tunnel all parts of the stalks and ears, resulting in reduced plant vigor, broken stalks, poor ear development, and dropped ears. Other crops are damaged primarily by the tunneling of the stalks, pods, or stems by the larvae.

Fully grown corn borer larvae (3/4 - 1 inch long) are extremely destructive, flesh-colored caterpillars with a reddish or dark brown head and several distinct spots on the top of each abdominal ring or segment. The adult borer is a night-flying, yellowish-brown colored moth (1 inch wingspan) with dark wavy bands across its wings.

Note: The European corn borer most likely arrived in the United States during the early 1900's in imported broom corn which was used to make brooms.

Life Cycle: Fully grown larvae pass the winter concealed in corn stubble or other plant parts on which they have been feeding. Pupation takes place in late spring, with the adult moths appearing in May and June. When mature, the females begin laying clumps of white eggs on the undersides of the lower leaves of host plants. (Adult females may lay up to 500 eggs over their short lifetime.) Under ideal conditions, these first generation eggs hatch within 3-7 days. Tiny caterpillars begin feeding on host plants and complete their development in 3-4 weeks. Pupation occurs deep inside the corn stalks and second generation moths emerge and begin laying eggs in early summer. Produces 1-3 generations per year depending upon the climate.

Note: Second generation borers are considered to be the most damaging to corn.

Control: Shred and plow under cornstalks in or near fields where borers overwinter. This should be done in fall or early spring, before the adults emerge. Use pheromone traps to determine main flight period for moths, then release trichogramma wasps to destroy eggs. Beneficial insects, such as ladybugs and lacewing, will consume a large number of borer eggs. Spray Dipel Dust (Bt-kurstaki) or Monterey Garden Insect Spray (spinosad) to kill young caterpillars. Repeat applications every 4-5 days until tassels turn brown. Use botanical insecticides only as a last resort.

Note: Ladybugs will consume almost 60 borer eggs a day. Stink bugs, damsel bugs, spiders and hover fly larvae feed on young caterpillars.

Tip: Control nearby weeds to minimize the number of borers in your garden. Moths are attracted to these areas where they rest and mate, resulting in proportionately more egg laying.

Source: http://www.planetnatural.com/site/xd...r-control.html


Predator Insects - Prevention

* Lacewing Eggs
* Trichogramma Wasps
* Lady Bugs

If they manage to make it in, at first signs use:

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Rotenone-Pyrethrin Spray & Bt



Here's some stuff I read a little into. It's pheromone trapping. Trap some of the moths, or at least know when it's that time of the season to get ready. What about a bug zapper, do moths fall for that?

http://www.ent.iastate.edu/pest/corn...sect/pheromone

The most effective control strategies include inserting a stiff wire into each hole and killing the larvae. Bacillus thuringiensis (BT) can be shot into holes at 10 day intervals until no more frass appears. Try napthalene moth crystals to contain a serious infestation. Pheromone traps may be an effective control if you have only a few trees, but they won't attract the egg-laying females. Trap these by wrapping heavy paper around the trunk, from 2 inches below ground to at least 6 inches above, and then coat the wrap with a sticky material such as Tangle Trap. Destroy the wrap weekly, replacing it until no more larvae are trapped.

Look for sawdust like trails around the stalks and a gradual wilting of plants. The best control strategy for corn borers is prevention. In the fall, burn or otherwise destroy all garden debris that may be harboring caterpillars. Rotate crops. Try planting resistant varieties of corn and/or interplanting with peanut or soybean. Encourage the presence of predators such as barn swallows, blackbirds, downy woodpeckers, flycatchers, grackles, phoebes, and sparrows. Moles and toads also eat corn borers, as do a number of commercially available insects including beneficial nematodes, green lacewings, lady bugs and braconid wasps. Exclude borers from ears of corn by covering them with old pantyhose. BT (Bacillus thuringiensis), particularly the granular form, is an effective control if applied immediately after the first eggs are laid and then every 7 to 10 days until the egg-laying period has run its course. Useful botanical poisons include rotenone spray or dust and ryania.

To remove corn borers by hand, slit affected plant stalks just below the telltale holes and castings and pluck out the worm with tweezers.


^^ that last bolded section is what I did. I first slit up from the hole, it was real soft and hollow, I could guess how big they were gonna be/how damaged the plant was, on how easy the knife went in and up. Once slit I used a screwdriver to gently pry the stem apart and pluck that bastard out. Sometimes I'd just cut them with the knife and stab 'em out. After the removal of borer worms I injected Bt into the holes with syringes I bought for vaccinating cows. After that, I sprayed the stems up and down with Bt and lightly misted the leaves with a slight dilution of neem oil for the Bt to stick to. Tomorrow is a pyrethrin bath for the little bastards that think they can win. For the last 42 hours it's been an all out war. I'll admit at first I was getting my ass kicked, but after today's Second rundown of manual removal and my Bt soak down, I feel like I'm getting some ground back. By no means is this over, if I want these plants, their going to make me fight for them. I guess it's life's same old lesson. Oh, and between cutting the stems and injected worm holes, you'll cut your fingers more times than you can think with sliding sharp objects. I pricked my thumb with bateria filled needles so many times it feels like I hit it with a hammer over and over. Truly blood, sweat, & tears.
 

Mgrowing

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I broke that branch off because I wanted to expose more of the hole to show you guys on here. It was not broke. The picture of gooey stuff is before and after I wiped it away.
 

Mgrowing

Active Member
I thought maybe fungus or mold but its not. I have had mold and fungus before and different. Mold wasn't clumpy oatmeal consistency.
 

Mgrowing

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Ya I don't know why he is so mad. I did a lot of research and compared it to pictures and I am pretty sure it is not that mold. Noone else hss seen anything like it? I an getting scared im gonna lose these girls. The only bugs I see are stink bugs and jumping spiders. Any other ideas?
 
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