plant size vs harvest amount

How tall are you plants usually before leaving veg and how long did you veg? I know this is different for most but if you guys could either post info or pics of your stem thickness and plant height and how long it was in veg for it would be great help to compare different growing methods and stages/ lengths in veg.

I only ask cause my plants seem to just look small. They are coming along pretty well but the stems look small and just nervous theyre not going to be able to harvest alot at all. (3-5oz each preferred). Right now theyre in 2 gal pots and to be transplanted into 7gal pots of FFOF. They have been feeding of ph'd tap water cause i was topping them last week.

I would say those are perfect for flower right now if you wanted them to be. Of course in soil it is always beneficial to let them go a little longer before the flip. I have had hydro clones get flipped when they were about 8" tall with only a couple of nods and get 6-8oz...sometimes thats just in the genetics.

Theyre only about 1.5 month old starting from being cut off the mom. I read veg should be about 2 months... 2 weeks to get roots off clone then 2 months veg (top once mabe 2 times/ finish veg in 5/7gallon pot) then flower 2 months. Deffinetly correct me if im wrong! Ive learned aton off here in the month ive been here and read the jorge bible literally back to front 3 times now and still check back to it. I just want to get a solid setup rotation going time wise and after seeing other plants stems its crazy to think my plants would net more than 1oz from their size.

Plenty of light 12 bulbs off t5s for veg in high 70* temps 46% humid. 3 1kw hps for flowering in same temps. So they have nice surrounding equipment. Just need to ensure im doing my job right lol. As for nutes i may not even use them. Last 2 plants got small nute burns so i cut back to using 1/2 strenth and i never really noticed difference from them in the soil so i stopped using them. These 9 havent gotten any nutes at all. Was waiting for my clones to root to use in my ebb n flow so i can actually read the plants better.

if you dont use nutes when your flowering you are wasting your time. when you are vegging plants they really dont require that much food as you can see. go to your local hydro store and tell them you want the general hydro line. Ive used advanced nutes, house and garden and GH...GH is a quarter of the price with identical results for me. as for your veg time.. longer is always better if you have the time but i see no reason for you to be not successful if you flowered those right now.

i guess there was good growth. redish pic is 9.5.12 when first put into 2gal/ next pic is under the t5 lights at 9.14.12... this growing thing just makes time feel like eternity lol...



i have a whole nute kit with chart. in fact i have 3 of them haha. so if i put them into flowering now do you think i can hit my3-5oz each mark as long as i nute feed and stay on top of them? i may transplant into the big pots today and start flowering monday if so. thanks for the tips.

last question, should i use the scrog method on them even with them being only 14-16" tall? ive read the correct way to do the method.

if you want plants that yeild multiple zips per plant lst, supercrop, top.

these 9 were topped 1 time each except one plant in first pic. 3 out of the 9 were topped and then i topped the 3 shoots cause they growing taller than the rest. wanted to keep even canopy for the screen when in flower. just thinking for next batch if i should let them get taller before topping cause seemed to stunt upward growing. which i know it does but though after recovering they grow taller. seem to be staying steady hieght but thats another reason i want to transplant. figured it may help

Wtf, that video makes it seem so easy... nice video though. Good to know that if i follow jorges times by only vegging 1 month and flowering 2 months that i can still harvest good amounts. I didnt think they grew so crazy in flowering.

you will be surprised...they will double in the first two weeks of flower.

Just transplanted into big buckets! A friend said to pick all fan leafs off that are red stems?

I run an 8ft tall tent, finish in 5gals, put them in about 2-3 times that size, and generally yield in the 8-10oz range per plant(although this is extremely strain dependent).

Leave the fan leaves on.

My tent is only 7ft tall and I have my plants in 1gal pots growing from seed. They are about 3 weeks old. I plan to transplant to 3gal containers before I switch them to flowering. Do you think that a 5gal is necessary or do you just think it helps. Please advise. Thanks and best regards.

Depending on strain it can be necessary depending on the size of the plant you are growing, if you are growing them the entire 7ft yes its pretty much necessary. If you are growing smaller plants its not necessary. There are some strains that I quit growing because in order to grow them properly I would need to use 10-15gal pots and I'm not setup for that.

Let me tell you a story, I have a friend who is also a medical card holder who started growing. He was growing nice looking plants (lush green, no nute burn, healthy looking) some of them pretty good sized. He's in a wheel chair and spends a lot of time with his plants, so they are well taken care of. The most he ever pulled was like 3 oz. Granted he was doing some other stuff wrong like pulling them out based on calendar dates/etc, but the biggest improvement he saw was when I sent him to lowes to get 5 gallon buckets(I do consulting for ppl I know that grow and am mentoring him), pretty much doubled his yeild.

Root mass is very important, the plant has to be able to take in enough nutes to support its growth. You will see a lot of ppl on here say root mass = bud mass, and its a fairly true statement.

Also you dont need fancy pots, go to lowes/home depot and buy a bunch of homer buckets (or lowes buckets) then drill a bunch of holes in the bottom now you have a grow bucket for 3 bucks.

If you flower those things right now you would be good. You would NOT need to put them in bigger pots either. That would be a waste of soil IMO. If you actually looked at the roots of those plants they would be no way near filling those pots up. Roots don't get much bigger during flower either. As is, you can probably get 2 to 3 z's a plant if you started right now. Without transplanting.

I have 4 foot Pineapple Express plants flowering in 1.5 gal pots and they kick ass. 2 z's plus per plant with 5 week veg time. Fat tasty buds that are so dense they feel like pillows after they cure.

Why so little soil? I once used 5 gallon pots for the same amount of veg time. I would transplant from a 2 gallon to a 5 gallon right before flowering. What did I notice? The 5 gallon pots would have a ton of soil in it with no roots at all. Most of the roots stayed within it's rootball after the transplant with just a bunch going downwards and spinning of in the bottom of the pot.

Now, after I harvest, my pots are completely filled with roots but in no way are they root bound. There is still a bit of lose soil in the middle of the pot. I cut my soil usage by 60% and still harvest the same weight.

Am I saying these other guys are clueless? No way! Root mass is very important...........during veg. But roots don't grow much more during flower. So if your pots are not root bound during veg they will only fill up nicely during flower without getting locked up. I'm only telling this from experience.

The big difference is when you are vegging for a longer time. If you veg for a full 2 months then a 2 gallon pot will fill up nicely with roots and will need to be transplanted to a 5 gallon. Otherwise it's a waste if you veg less.

If you grow a 7ft plant the entire 5 gallon bucket will be root mass, if you are growing 4ft plants it will not. If I think about in a couple weeks when I harvest my destroyer (which will be a 10-12oz plant) I'll post a pic of the roots. So it really matters if you put them in like that or 2-3 times that size.

needlesnpins said:

you will be surprised...they will double in the first two weeks of flower.

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even triple if sat or sat dom

ricky6991 said:

Just transplanted into big buckets! A friend said to pick all fan leafs off that are red stems?

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You need a better friend,what happens when they all turn that color? I'll answer that,your plant will die if you take em off.
Anyway i got clones that look similar to your plants but a lil taller actually and i don't expect more than 2oz vs their shorter
more bushier flowering mother who will put out 2-4 oz,but she had LST and still under 2 ft and has more than 15 tops.
She is a very branching strain so her size doesn't matter so much.

Well i just transplanted to the 5 gal lowes buckets with holes in bottom. So too late for that. If it has possible of helping then id rather do it. After i get alittle return on these i can begin to experiment better. Also i have cotton candy, la confidential, jamaican chocolate, headbang, green love.or plants so they all different almost.

I have 15 clones a friend is making for me now which he said takes about 3 weeks start to finish of pineapple express which is good yeilder. He gave me his nute plan ect for his 12 plant 3 1kw setup so im going to run with that next harvest. He gets 4lb dry off his 9 week flower.

As for the red stem thing. It was really bad as they were small and only acouple plants now have it bad. Others seem to be really green and very small amounts of red. Ill leave them on. These are going into flowering prob monday or tuesday. Want them to root alittle into the fresh soil.

thedude27 said:

I run an 8ft tall tent, finish in 5gals, put them in about 2-3 times that size, and generally yield in the 8-10oz range per plant(although this is extremely strain dependent).

Leave the fan leaves on.

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I have same size tent to work with. How long do they stay in veg? With my experience on last 2 plants they didnt get significant bigger in size after a certain point. How many times do you top them?