Photo Period Auto Cross, need some pointers from breeders

Hello.

I am looking to make a certain "pure" landrace that I love into an auto.

I plan on crossing it with the original Lowryder#1 from Joint Doctor, and breeding it until I get the auto trait with the obvious photo period traits I am looking for.

I read that to do so you have to take a favourite photo female and impregnate her with the strongest & best of the AF males (is this right?).

going into F1's, which should be photo. 12/12 them to seed and select.

grow them out into F2's and so on till F5 or so, or when ever the traits Im looking for become consistent (is this right?), and then solidify and stabilize?

What if I where to cross the best male photo with a female AF? Is it still the same or is there a reason that photo fems are pollenated with AF males?

What if I cross a photo female and AF male F-series with a AF female and photo male F series??


I am starting from as pure lineage as I can, I don't want no seed makers fancy named, un stable chaff, fucking up my pheno's.


Any tips or even the preferred gene mapping / breeding for auto route would be appreciated. I just want to make some quality, not looking for hype or resale.

Thanks in advance guys.

~ Morbid fucking Angel

Don't use Lowryder #1 if you have access to better auto's. There are MUCH better ones out there. Pick one of the best indica or sativa ones based on the strain you are trying to cross it with, and then use that. imo

EverythingsHazy said:

Don't use Lowryder #1 if you have access to better auto's. There are MUCH better ones out there. Pick one of the best indica or sativa ones based on the strain you are trying to cross it with, and then use that. imo

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I want to create a "strain" that is as pure as possible. Something that the SS would have made if thats what they where into (no Im not, so don't get all butt hurt). Lowryder#1 was the first auto hybrid, therefore it is the most suitable for my breeding without resorting to some really really shitty pure ruderallis.
The photo land race I cross it with will be as pure as can be hoped for without personal intercontinental travel and hand picking seeds from locals in the East.

The photo strain is from the Real Seed Company, an older variety that is no longer displayed on their page. But pure as pure can be as they took it directly from the plants in that middle east country. I won't say what variety though until I start the project cause I don't want no copy cats steal in my ideas! ;P

Hopefully by breeding the two pretty primitive varieties will keep the pheno's to a minimum and will aid in making this easier and better.

Morbid Angel said:

I want to create a "strain" that is as pure as possible. Something that the SS would have made if thats what they where into (no Im not, so don't get all butt hurt). Lowryder#1 was the first auto hybrid, therefore it is the most suitable for my breeding without resorting to some really really shitty pure ruderallis.
The photo land race I cross it with will be as pure as can be hoped for without personal intercontinental travel and hand picking seeds from locals in the East.

The photo strain is from the Real Seed Company, an older variety that is no longer displayed on their page. But pure as pure can be as they took it directly from the plants in that middle east country. I won't say what variety though until I start the project cause I don't want no copy cats steal in my ideas! ;P

Hopefully by breeding the two pretty primitive varieties will keep the pheno's to a minimum and will aid in making this easier and better.

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I doubt anyone here is gunna steal your idea man. But I agree with the poster above by picking an auto most closely related to the strain your working with. Could substantially cut down on how many generations you would need to inbreed to get your desired results. In the f1 stage select for desirable traits other than the auto trait itself. Once those are crossed the f2's should show a small % of autos then take it from there. When inbreeding refrain from 1 to 1 crosses to avoid genetic bottle necking. But ya for the most part you sound like u have the general idea down on what to do. Hope it all works out as planned, Blitz

Even if someone stol your exact idea down to the letter your plants would
Always be unique and probably have there own chemotype so no worries
Bro just pit in the work and youll be fine,
Now onto the lowryder. As stated before please dont use lowryder 1 if you have
Any other options, i understand you want "pure" but do you know what that means?
Many great breeders have made strides latelt in the field of autos and i feel
You would be doing not only yourself but the community a disservice by using
Less than optimal genetics (given your goals) even lowryder 2 feom the joint doctor
Would be a dramatic improvement but if you really want to go for it youll juat
Be making more work for yourself in the long run.
Next id like to address the use of a landrace strain, also a poor decision if your goal
Is to produce a stable seed line that suits your tastes (no hype or resale)
You should find an inbred line of a strain you like from a reputable breedet
(Im sure the forum would be happy to help you there) and use that instead.
Not trying to burst your bubble but landrace strains are highly variabl, do not
Grow well indoors(for the most part), and if your talking aboit a 100% indica
I see very little reason to cross to an autoflower as some indicas flower so fast
They are pretty much autoflowering (but with higher yield)

Now that ive got all my debbie downers out of the way if you still want to proceed
I would be more than willing to help.
Okay so first things first male auto or female doeant matter in my experience
But in a perfect world using a tested male (photo) and multiple
Autoflowering females to have an idea of what you should be looking for in the
Progeny.
In the f1 youll have pretty uniform plants generally speaking all photoresponsive
Then by the f2 youll start seeing autos single these out and find some keepers
To use as the parent stock for your f3 by then you should have about 95% autos
And all it takes past this ppint is finding plants that express the desired genotype
For the other traits you like then badic breeding till ita been stabalized.

Hope i answered your questions if not feel free to let me know.

Morbid Angel said:

Hello.




I am starting from as pure lineage as I can, I don't want no seed makers fancy named, un stable chaff, fucking up my pheno's.

~ Morbid fucking Angel

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could not have said it better

TreeHyde said:

could not have said it better

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yea buddy!

Well the idea is to take the pure Lebanese hash strain and make it auto flower. Its already early, and the auto will help a touch with speed and reliability for fast producing hashish strain. I want to be pumping those crystals out for brick like bang bang bang, I can't be around all the time and can't trust my other half to do the dirty work up to my standards while I'm away.

By cross breeding and every so often returning the line to the recurrent parent (Leb) by back crossing, that will keep the bottle neck at bay + reduce the lowryder to a single auto trait, reducing its genetic contribution to <6%.

Im pretty sure I will get this under wraps so to speak. At first I will do crossing with the female leb photo and knock her up with lowryder male. I'll grow these out and keep a store of all hybrid generations for back tracking.

After that line is "done", I will use a male leb photo to preggo the lowryder fems as you have suggested, breed them out as well with the whole seed store/log process. Mayhaps the two lines will cross with each other in years to come. Who nows. Its fuckin adventure time, and Im looking for classic dry sift beatin hash in constant supply.

In the mean time, I will be growing straight up Lebanese photo's as well.

Love your name mr morbid angel,
think I seen em back in the 90s?!?!
lol

making it an auto is easy , by the 6th cross it will be very auto dom.


dont know if I'd start with Lowryder 1 or old sensi Rudy.
that came from mr Nevils work in th mid 80s.
(nev hand collected Romanian an aquired a mexi auto that was only mentioned in a 86 ht article. The first auto breeder)
lowryder 1 was awfull for me lol,
lr2 was better for me due to sativa Santa Maria or Marta


When I made my auto s from photos I started with more Recent DANK crosses that others had worked for gens.
Drgt C99 and riots ChemD bubba were the photo strains I started with.
i love the haze so mixed em with amnesia haze , auto haze ,auto nycd haze , NLBB auto ....

Id find a strain similar to what your going for an use it.

Crazy swerve is goin to release HUGE mega autos soon that are Soooooo sativa 10 ft autos lol.
I think a leboneese auto?
Mr la buena Herbia also has realy big sativa autos.
and believe it or not Dutch passion has some realy BIG yield an is the leader in big autos also....

Stand on the shoulders of giants my friend....
But follow your gut...

I'm Hella drunk
its Friday
whooooot!

SCARHOLE said:

Love your name mr morbid angel,
think I seen em back in the 90s?!?!
lol

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Hey man I appreciate the good criticism. And also, I love your avatar. Fuck I could watch that thing... all... day... ....

I know Im takin a gamble on the use of the LR1, but I just wanted to start basic, no body else's shit, and really do one for myself.. I kinda persuaded myself to get LR1, I wasn't going to but I could get the seeds NON FEMINIZED for cheap, and its so old school it only has one hybrid in it and another landrace, so start as pure as possible, just the way I want it.

Maybe if I did it again, I'd hit some sort of white widow auto, but fuck it. Where the fuck do you find non femmy seeds round here. Not a lot of selection, the seed jockies just want to sell you feminized dead ends that they incorporated a hermie trait into. Fuck that.

fuck. maybe I'll take a look around for a good reputed WW auto non femmed. I'll be seeding the Lebs first for storing anyway, so I'll have some time.

fuck even the WW Auto I keep running into is just AK47 x Lowryder #1. fuck it I'm doing the right thing.

its going to be alot of work . and you might never get anything like the high from that landrace.. but maybe try to find some auto of that landrace or something very close to give u a kind of head start.. i took a lowryder male (out of a female pack was wierd didnt show any female traits.. .. and made seeds with him.. and lets just say.. u need to collect the pollen because my attempt at revegging him and allowing him to flower again.. didnt work as well as i thought it would.. it took forever and he barely tossed any pollen the second round.. i made these seeds .. with normal photo period strains.. and another auto ak47.. and a lowryder female.. the next outdoor season we planted them.. alot of fast flowering plants.. but nothing.. and i mean. nothing.. that was as potent as it should have been.. find a auto strain.. were the FEMALES GET U REALLY BAKED.. because most .. that ive tried.. dont match up to most of the reg seeds,, but alot of people have been focusing on autos.. so u mite have a better chance now.. but u need to make sure u find a strong auto.. because man.. i wasted alot of time.. to not be happy with my entire early outdoor harvest.,. dont get me wrong it looked great.. and people bought it once.. and then after they smoked it. they didnt want anything to do with it .

also i think finding the female/male in the fem line.. had to be real fem.. because hoenstly i dont think ive seen a single male from these seeds.