PH, Lime...... Help please :P

Discussion in 'Newbie Central' started by sputniknz, Apr 11, 2011.

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    sputniknz

    sputniknz Active Member

    Ok... i have learnt something today, love it!

    My tap water ph is 8. After i add my nute's it goes down to 5.5. When i collect the runnoff the ph is about 7-7.2.

    Im having problems with flowering, and after lurching on this forum i have heard that some plants will struggle into flowering if the soil ph is High/Low.

    So, i read on and see in numerous threads where dolomite lime is used as a stabiliser.

    Does this mean that, NO MATTER WHAT THE PH IS.... it will stabilise it, and move it neutral?

    Does this sound like something i should do?

    I want to bring my soil ph down to 6-6.5, is lime the tool?
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    sputniknz

    sputniknz Active Member

    Marijuana

    pH And Marijuana (Cannabis)


    pH is measured on a scale from 1.0 to 14.0. Pure water has a pH of 7.0 and is considered pH neutral. pH below 7.0 is considered to be acidic and pH higher than 7.0 is considered to be alkaline.

    A substance that decreases pH (pH-down) is called an acid while a substance that increases pH (pH-up) is called a base. A substance that helps resist pH changes when an acid or base is added, is called a buffer.

    A pH difference of 1.0 is equal to a ten times increase or decrease in pH. That is, a nutrient solution with a pH of 6.0 is ten times as acidic as a nutrient solution with a pH of 7.0. A pH difference of 2.0 is equal to a hundred times increase or decrease in pH.

    It is very important to keep the pH level within certain limits when growing marijuana. Even first time marijuana growers need to monitor the pH of their nutrient solution or soil and keep it within optimum levels.

    The pH level of your hydroponic nutrient solution or soil will determine how well your plants are able to absorb nutrients. If the pH level is out of the proper range, the growth rate of the plants will slow down or stop.

    Temperature, nutrient, and pH problems are the top three things that cause a crop failure when growing marijuana. By monitoring and keeping them within optimal ranges you will maximize the chances of a successful crop.


    Checking The pH Level Of Marijuana

    There are several options when it comes to checking the pH level of your hydroponic or soil garden:

    --- A pH Control Kit contains a pH test kit to measure the pH of liquids like water or hydroponic nutrient solution, pH-up to raise the pH, and pH-down to lower the pH.
    --- A pH Test Kit is used to measure the pH of liquids like water or hydroponic nutrient solution.
    --- A pH Meter is used to measure the pH of water and other liquids, hydroponic nutrient solution, hydroponic media, and soil.
    --- A Soil Test Kit is used to measure the pH, nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium levels of soil. There are also soil pH test kits available that just measure the pH level of soil.
    --- A Soil pH Meter is used to measure the pH of soil.

    First time hydroponic marijuana growers should consider getting a pH control kit. It contains everything you need to monitor and adjust pH. Included are a pH test kit that will allow you to check the pH level, and pH-up and pH-down to adjust the pH when necessary.

    A pH test kit for liquids works by putting a small amount of nutrient solution in a container then adding a few drops of pH test liquid and mixing them together.

    The combined mixture will turn color. This color is then matched with the color on a pH chart (included with the test kit) to determine the pH level of the nutrient solution.

    A pH meter can measure the pH of water (and other liquids), hydroponic nutrient solution, hydroponic media, and soil. If you have been growing hydroponic marijuana for a few years and you are tired of buying and re-buying test kits, it might be best to invest in a pH meter.

    A pH meter is long lasting, and in general they give more accurate results than other methods of measuring pH. But the price may make them out of reach for first time growers on a budget. Besides the pH meter itself, you also need to purchase pH calibration solution (rated at about 4.0 and 7.0) to calibrate the meter with.

    In addition you may need to get electrode storage solution and electrode cleaning solution to extend electrode life and ensure accurate readings. The various solutions required can end up costing as much as the meter itself. pH meter probes and batteries will also eventually need to be replaced.

    For accurate measurements always follow the manufactures instructions for calibrating, cleaning, storing, and using a pH meter. Calibrating the meter is especially important because all measurements will be wrong if the unit is mis-calibrated.

    Soil growers should get a soil pH meter to measure the pH level of soil in their garden. They work by inserting the probes of the unit directly into the soil you are growing in, and taking a reading. Follow the manufacturers instructions included with the soil pH meter you have, and you will get years of accurate measurements.

    An alternative for soil growers is a soil test kit. These are easy to use and reliable kits that contain separate tests for pH, nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. They give instant results on the soil conditions in your garden.

    A single soil test kit will have a certain number of tests that can be preformed before you run out and have to buy another. For example, one company makes a soil test kit that can be used to check pH, nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium levels in soil 10 times.


    pH And Hydroponic Marijuana

    When growing hydroponic marijuana the pH of the nutrient solution should be between 5.5 and 6.5. In most cases optimal pH for marijuana plants is about 5.8 to 6.2 but this may vary slightly depending on the particular marijuana strain and the growing conditions you provide.

    Some growers report good results with pH as low as 5.0 but you should try to maintain 5.8 to 6.2 pH readings for your first few crops. When you gain experience with a particular marijuana strain, you can experiment with pH and see what works best. However, you must always make sure to keep the pH between 5.0 and 7.0.

    Measure the pH after you add the nutrient solution to the reservoir, mix well first because the nutrients will change the pH level of the water. In almost all cases nutrients will lower the pH of water. When you first start growing, check the pH everyday (or several times a day) and make sure it is within the proper range.


    Adjusting pH Of Hydroponic Marijuana

    pH-up and pH-down solutions are used to adjust the pH level of hydroponic nutrient solution and hydroponic media when the pH is out of range.

    pH-up (also called pH increase) is used to raise the pH level and pH-down (also called pH decrease) is used to reduce the pH level. A pH-up or pH-down solution for hydroponic or aquarium use is recommended.

    For hydroponic applications, nitric, phosphoric or citric acids (even vinegar) can be used to lower pH, while potassium hydroxide can be used to raise pH.

    If you understand what you are doing, you can use these various chemicals instead of buying pH-up and pH-down solutions (contributed by james and jorge).

    However, if you aren't sure of the correct amount of acid or base that is needed to adjust the pH to optimum values, it is best to buy a solution specifically made to raise or lower the pH and carefully follow the manufacturers instructions.

    Unless directed to do so by the manufacturer, don't try to adjust your nutrient pH by more than 1.0 per day. Always make drastic changes over a number of days.

    If your pH is 8.0 and you would like to lower it to 6.0, try lowering it by 1.0 a day for 2 days. Plants need a gradual change, overcompensating can spell disaster for your garden.


    pH And Marijuana Grown In Soil

    When growing marijuana in soil the pH of the soil should be between 6.5 and 7.0. When growing in containers, a single pH reading for each container is recommended. When growing outdoors in a garden, it is best to take two or three pH measurements from different areas of the garden.

    If you have a large garden, you may have to adjust the pH in various parts of your garden to different levels. Check the pH once every one-two weeks.

    Unlike hydroponics where the nutrient solution is in a single reservoir and only needs to be checked once, a soil garden will get its nutrients from the soil it is growing in. Even a small garden that contains a few plants may have soil that varies in pH from one area to another.

    Most fertilizers cause a pH change in the soil. Adding fertilizer to the soil almost always results in a more acidic (lower) pH. As time goes on, the amount of salts produced by the breakdown of fertilizers in the soil causes the soil to become increasingly acidic and eventually the concentration of these salts in the soil will stunt the plant and cause browning out of the foliage.

    Also, as the plant gets older its roots become less effective in bringing food to the leaves. To avoid the accumulation of these salts in your soil and to ensure that your plant is getting all of the food it needs, you can begin leaf feeding your plant at the age of about 1.5 months.

    Dissolve the fertilizer in water (worm castings mixed with water will work well for leaf feeding) and spray the mixture directly onto the foliage. The leaves absorb the fertilizer into their veins. If you want to continue to put fertilizer into the soil as well as leaf feeding, be sure not to overdose your plants.


    Adjusting pH Of Marijuana Grown In Soil

    A good way to stabilize soil is to use dolomite lime (calcium-magnesium carbonate). Dolomitic lime acts slowly and continuously, so soil will remain pH stable for a few months.

    Using fine size dolomite lime is important, coarser grades can take a year or longer to work. You can get fine size dolomite lime at any well stocked garden supply center.

    Dolomite lime has been used by gardeners as a pH stabilizer for many years. It has a pH that is neutral (7.0). When added to soil in the correct proportions, it will stabilize soil at a pH near 7.0.

    When growing in containers, add one cup of fine dolomite lime to each cubic foot of soil. Mix the dry soil thoroughly with the dolomite lime, then lightly water it. After watering, re-mix it and wait for a day or two before checking the pH. When growing in an outdoor garden, follow the dolomite lime manufacturers instructions.

    Lowering soil pH: small amounts of composted leaves, cottonseed meal, or peat moss will lower the pH of soil.

    Raising soil pH: small amounts of hardwood ashes or crushed oyster/egg shells will help to raise the soil pH. Hydrated lime can also be used to raise the pH of soil. In containers, use no more than 1/8 cup of hydrated lime per cubic foot of soil (per application). Mix it into warm water, then apply the water to the soil. When growing in an outdoor garden, follow the manufacturers instructions.

    Wait at least a day or two before checking the pH level of soil after attempting to raise, lower or stabilize it. If adjustments still have to be made, use small amounts of whatever material you are using.

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    sputniknz

    sputniknz Active Member

    sorry all just posted that for my own reference...
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    frogvsmonkey

    frogvsmonkey Active Member

    lime could work be its really hard to get the plant to in take lime, unless it is there from the begin, but i've seen where u mix lime with water and shake it for a couple of minutes, then feed when u are using ferts
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    mrmadcow

    mrmadcow Well-Known Member

    yes fine dolimite lime will raise or lower your PH to about a 7. if you insist on staying 6-6.5, lime will cause you headaches as it will keep pushing your PH up to 7 but since the plants do fine at that level, why fight it? I have been using lime for yrs & never check PH anymore unless something goes wrong & it has never been due to PH.
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    Los Muertos

    Los Muertos Active Member

    If you'd feel better with it @ 6-6.5, use aluminum sulfate or this:
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    Crush it to a fine powder and add a little at a time. I'd start with 1 tsp. Water it in and wait at least 24 hours before adding more. Lime with never get your ph from 7.2 to 6.5. Unless you're having problems, I'd leave it where it is.
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    sputniknz

    sputniknz Active Member

    If my tap water ph is 8, and my mix is 5.5, and my runnoff is back at 7-7.2. Then do i assume that i have a soil ph of 7.5? Im pretty sure thats right but im not sure.
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    sappytreetree

    sappytreetree New Member

    like my grand papi used to say gypsum To lower ph Lime to raise it
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    Nullis

    Nullis Moderator

    AFAIK gypsum (calcium sulfate) doesn't affect pH either way. You want a small amount of soil acidifier/garden sulfur to lower the pH just a bit. The product Los Muertos listed in particular should work well.
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    sappytreetree

    sappytreetree New Member

    you callin my gand papi a lair
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    lime73

    lime73 Moderator

    Well not to sure about PH but Im here now...:)

    What you need from me?...wait your talking about an additive for your soil ? dammit..lol
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    d6520

    d6520 Active Member

    Lol I think grand papi selling em wolf tickets,.... Ya know em 2 for 5
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    Nullis

    Nullis Moderator

    Haha, not exactly. Gypsum is used to provide calcium without rising soil pH while garden/dolomite lime provides calcium while raising the pH to an acceptable level. Gypsum + soil pH below 5.5 is a no no anyways due to it's potential to increase the solubility of aluminum.
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    sappytreetree

    sappytreetree New Member

    yeah but this cats try to lower ph not raise it lime alwas bring the soil to 7 or try's to sulfer and epsom salt leach out of your pots to fast .......This is way sunshine 4 adds it there mix ....
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    tfishing

    tfishing Active Member

    As Said in the ridiculous post before this in some ridiculous terms; Use Ph up and down when you water/feed. If the runoff is 7.1 7.2 or whatever then that is what your soil is. Lime is what you use when you mix your soil. Don't over think this. and dont overfeed it. less is more.

    tfish
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    sappytreetree

    sappytreetree New Member

    you callin my grand papi a lair
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    Illumination

    Illumination New Member


    yep I believe he did

    and I agree with grand pappy ...as gypsum is calcium sulphate so as the calcium reacts the sulphur releases and the sulphur LOWERS ph...but as I am a grandpappy as well I too must be lying:shock:
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    djruiner

    djruiner Well-Known Member

    li·ar/ˈlīər/
    Noun: A person who tells lies. More »
    Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary

    wrong   
    [rawng, rong] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    not in accordance with what is morally right or good: a wrong deed.
    2.
    deviating from truth or fact; erroneous: a wrong answer.
    3.
    not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method, etc., as a person; in error: You are wrong to blame him.

    i think we are calling him the second thing i listed there....if he truly believes that the statement is true...he is not lying...he is just wrong...and in this case he is wrong...and i ain't lying
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    djruiner

    djruiner Well-Known Member

    and on a side note...who the fuck says grand papi? i didnt think they allowed the internet in Kentucky.
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    sputniknz

    sputniknz Active Member

    omg... im more confused now than when i started..... thnx n e ways.

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