Peruvian Seabird Guano, help with dosage and ph

Getting ready to veg my new 12 seedlings in this next grow. Some bagseed and some Barney's Farm stuff. I plan on implementing some of this PSG that I picked up recently. It worked pretty well on my first grow, I used it a few times to clear up a N defeciency.

I use the color ph system with the dropper and little testing vial if anyone has recomendations for a digital ph tester plz reply with link or something!

I am unable to ph the fertilized water because the color obviously changes to poop brown

--does the PSG raise the ph or lower the ph so i can adjust accordingly?


Fertilizer I'm Using:
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PSG
High Nitrogen
All Natural
Organic Fertilizer
10-10-2

full serving is 3 tablespoons per gallon
the bag actually says for indoors you would repeat this every 4 weeks... that seems REALLY spaced out.
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--Should I feed indoor plants other types of chem nutes in between the 4 week periods? I have some Maxigro 10-5-14 that I previously used.

(I am not overly concerned with staying organic, i just bought the PSG b/c I needed nitrogen badly in my last grow and used it to raise N levels in an emergency.)

thanks for help guys, my first grow is almost done.. i am trying to prep for the next batch. My avatar is a bud from my current plant. She's an only child but I'm thinking close to 2 oz dry weight off her.

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still using PSG and still do not know how to appropriately adjust for ph!?

If I’m not mistaken, there is no need to adjust the PH of your tea. I brew a tea of PSG for the N, J bat guano for the P, EWC “earthworm castings”, and 1-0-4 seaweed extract for K. Just let the tap water declorinate before you brew or it will kill your organic life in the tea!!! I also add blackstrap molasses and Liquid Karma to each batch and let it brew for 24hr over air stones.

whodatnation said:

If I’m not mistaken, there is no need to adjust the PH of your tea. I brew a tea of PSG for the N, J bat guano for the P, EWC “earthworm castings”, and 1-0-4 seaweed extract for K. Just let the tap water declorinate before you brew or it will kill your organic life in the tea!!! I also add blackstrap molasses and Liquid Karma to each batch and let it brew for 24hr over air stones.

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Wrong. As long as tea doesn't smell funky(anaerobic bacteria thrives in ph less than 5) it should be fine and you can safely assume that its ph is at soil-friendly levels (ph 6-7). If it smells funky or VERY bad, either dump it outside and start over or add in more molasses while its aerating 'til smell improves and has sort of a foamy top. 70-75f are best temps for a thriving population.There is no ph adjustment for any kind of tea.

way to be polite about it ("wrong")

elduece said:

Wrong. As long as tea doesn't smell funky(anaerobic bacteria thrives in ph less than 5) it should be fine and you can safely assume that its ph is at soil-friendly levels (ph 6-7). If it smells funky or VERY bad, either dump it outside and start over or add in more molasses while its aerating 'til smell improves and has sort of a foamy top. 70-75f are best temps for a thriving population.There is no ph adjustment for any kind of tea.

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"There is no ph adjustment for any kind of tea" Did I say otherwise?

Like this...

Just finished tea this morning with some Jamaican/Peruvian Seabird guanos for mid blooming, oats, seaweed extract and some other stuff that I can't remember made last week. I've ended up feed it a quarter pint of molasses to get it where I want it to -I think I had too much fungi and its been pretty hot out. Tested 6.5. Municipal chlorinated tap from Cumberland River and Sunleaves guano were used.

does anyone know what percentage to mix with soil and perlite. i was thinking about 10%

we feed the soil not the plant CB, the PSG is very hot so be careful. chem nutes will destroy the life you are trying to breed in the soil. I feed every third watering so about every two weeks.

ph is gimmick for you ask me

whodatnation said:

If I’m not mistaken, there is no need to adjust the PH of your tea. I brew a tea of PSG for the N, J bat guano for the P, EWC “earthworm castings”, and 1-0-4 seaweed extract for K. Just let the tap water declorinate before you brew or it will kill your organic life in the tea!!! I also add blackstrap molasses and Liquid Karma to each batch and let it brew for 24hr over air stones.

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elduece said:

Wrong. As long as tea doesn't smell funky(anaerobic bacteria thrives in ph less than 5) it should be fine and you can safely assume that its ph is at soil-friendly levels (ph 6-7). If it smells funky or VERY bad, either dump it outside and start over or add in more molasses while its aerating 'til smell improves and has sort of a foamy top. 70-75f are best temps for a thriving population.There is no ph adjustment for any kind of tea.

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Im sorry but I just went back through this lil thread...... wtf is WRONG about my post?

To answer your question about how to adjust pH in the tea; use citric acid. About 3 tsp/100gal will be approx. 1 pH unit.

As for the dosage, I would be comfortable trying 2 tablespoons/gal once a week. If you see signs it is too much flush until at least 20% of the water drains out and then back the schedule down a bit.

Root source that is tits advice! Citric acid is always the way to go gonna test your thee tsp theory I love it cuz I run 50 gallon Rez and am still poking around as to how much acid is one point! It will help induce the krebs cycle witch is sweet!

Huh? I don't get the citric acid thing... not for pH adjustment purposes in tea brewing anyways. Whose trying to make their tea more acidic, and why? The majority of ingredients folks use for tea brewing are already quite acidic, including blackstrap molasses. I am aware of organic acids as chelates and of the TCA cycle, though.

PSG is awesome, and decidedly basic when dissolved in water. You can check it yourself by allowing a pellet of the PSG to dissolve (completely) in a small sample of water; or mix in at full strength to a gallon and take a sample after the pellets have broken down (this usually takes an hour or so). If I recall correctly the result will be upwards of 7, likely around 8.0 (which is basic). So if you do it right the PSG essentially is your pH up; and as noted artificial adjustment isn't necessary for teas anyways (or for organic growing in general). All of the blackstrap, other high N guanos, etc. in teas is what will contribute to it initially being so acidic. The sugars will be metabolized and the bacteria utilize hydrogen ions and produce bio-film which all contributes to the pH ultimately rising.

I love how citric acid makes my fertigation mix smell better. It also seems to create more froth on top.

My tap water is basic , most guano I use is basic I enjoy using citric acid to buffer down over nine solutions I seem to get quickest strongest froth or what I determine to be microbe action with a solution starting in the 7.5 range witch is what most teas I make stabilize out to after 12-14 hrs. ThAt seems to be working great for my gardens. Any reason to let it go longer and not buffer the initial solution?

The microbes will bring the solution to a ph they desire. I let mine brew for a minimum of 24 hrs with 1 tbls of black strap molasses per gallon to feed the microbs. Again, there is no need to adjust the ph of your tea, it will adjust itself.

hello lol.. if i just would have read this before.. i lost lyk 5 plants... trying again with PSG 2 spoons per 1 gallon gonna let em sit for 1 day they are kept in bottles... i shake em every now and then.. sohuld i left my bottles open or i close em after a while? i know its been oevr a year..

no teas here. Just a tablespoon amended to the soil every 3 to 4 weeks. water with ph 6.2-6.5 as normal. Dont like mixes and muked up dirty bottles laying around. green till chop with a clean area. no smell etc. just lay a bit of top soil over it.

Nullis said:

Huh? I don't get the citric acid thing... not for pH adjustment purposes in tea brewing anyways. Whose trying to make their tea more acidic, and why?

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My plants are in that so-common mix of 2 part FFOF, 1 part FFLW, with a small amount of blood meal and PSG mixed in. I was giving them only water for about the first month, with a well-timed transplant somewhere in there. They were doing great until I gave them the first application of compost tea (I've read Teaming with Microbes and his other book, Teaming with Nutrients, and I've been brewing teas for years). It was a simple mix of 0.5% blackstrap and 2.38% EWC. When I water them with distilled water their runoff is pH ~ 7.7. They had been suffering lightly for about two weeks when I figured out what was going on. At first I thought it was my tap water, so I ordered a tds and ph meter (I didn't think I'd need one for this organic soil grow). My tap water is ~70ppm and ~6.8 pH. I'm now brewing my first batch of tea since I've bought the pH meter and after about 12 hours at roughly 60deg F it's pH-ing at 7.8.

The previous two batches had been applied after 24 - 36 hours at the same temperature. They were nice and frothy and had a strong, sweet, earthy smell. I have no idea what their pH was but if this run is any indication, it was way to high.

In between teas I'm having to water with pH 2.5 - 3.5 just to set things straight. So I would think that adjusting my teas before applying would be the least-bad of all my options, wouldn't you?

BUDDZY said:

does anyone know what percentage to mix with soil and perlite. i was thinking about 10%

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PSG works great in a top dressing or in a tea but you probably don't want your roots in direct contact as it does get hot in the space it's in due to the massive amount of bacteria that grows on it once hydrated & given time to cook in the soil.
For top dressing a plant that may have slightly overgrown its container or maybe you want to get through flowering without N defs. Just mix a palmful of guano with some fresh EWC and maybe some fish bone meal & then place it on top layer or soil away from main stem & cover with mulch.
In a tea PSG really ups the foam factor when bubbled for 24-48 hrs; add about 8-11 pellets to 2-3 gal or water, a tsp of molasses, 2 cups fresh EWC, & a cup of kelp meal to make a sturdy flowering tea. This is the only way I use it now