Perpetual Short Bus: A Crop Circle Story

Short Bus

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DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i want that GDP...hahahaha....but its looking great bro...when i dont have to keep shit so stealthy i hope to have a grow op looking like that...love that sour grape also...been wanting to try that stuff...but we dont get any of that down here in the swamp...will have to grow some of that shit if i want it...nice man...your gonna have a few killer harvest coming soon
I know, I know. I suck. I'll miss that stuff for sure, it just always lagged behind everything else and kinda screwed up the schedule. One day, I'll have a huge space and an out door garden in the summer. Then I'll grow all the fussy but delicious strains I don't have space for now.
 

ThirdHyeOpen

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im new at growing and while researching i happened across this wonderful grow. i have a question for you shortbus, you stated that you veg with an 250 w hps please tell my why not mh. thank you and my next grow will be circle cropped.
 
Bus-roc,

How tall are you letting the girls get now before you trigger flower? They still look a little...(ahem) short. :lol:

What max height are you shooting for at finish, wasn't it around 2 feet? How tall are your tallest now? Sorry, i'm not knocking your girls whatsoever, they look like fucking pageant queens, but they look like they're still Miss Teen USA's when they could be MS. UNIVERSE's! :lol: I just want to see you get that max yield you're looking for. bongsmilie

I'm real interested in following along on that heavily pruned Sour Grape you got going, that's something that really interests me...I know you grew out the SG on the last run, and we know the yield (3/4 oz. for half the bucket, right?), but you wouldn't happen to be running a control SG next to the pruned one would you? I'd really love to see a side-by-side grow from someone who's word I trust, so that we can have a somewhat definitive answer. Either way, since I'm sure the new bucket is two SG's now instead of half&half JTR/SG, I guess we can always just compare the previous yield to half of the new bucket...Yeah, that works. Keep me posted on that one please, that one has me hyped up.

Good work as always brother, keep it up! bongsmilie
 

Short Bus

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im new at growing and while researching i happened across this wonderful grow. i have a question for you shortbus, you stated that you veg with an 250 w hps please tell my why not mh. thank you and my next grow will be circle cropped.
Howdy! Welcome to the circle. MH would probably be better, when I first got this light I had a very small space and planned to use the light for flowering as well. Here's a fun fact tho: You can get a bulb called a Ceramic Metal Halide, available in 250w and 400w. It works exclusively in non-digital HPS fixtures, like a retrofit bulb, and throws a ridiculous useable spectrum for plants. Here's a link. I'm planning to grab one of these real soon.

Ceramic Metal Halide Bulbs

For the record, flourescents kick ass in veg also, as they can be placed inches from your plants.
 

djruiner

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Howdy! Welcome to the circle. MH would probably be better, when I first got this light I had a very small space and planned to use the light for flowering as well. Here's a fun fact tho: You can get a bulb called a Ceramic Metal Halide, available in 250w and 400w. It works exclusively in non-digital HPS fixtures, like a retrofit bulb, and throws a ridiculous useable spectrum for plants. Here's a link. I'm planning to grab one of these real soon.

Ceramic Metal Halide Bulbs

For the record, flourescents kick ass in veg also, as they can be placed inches from your plants.
ive checked those out...those things do seem like they would kick ass...im growing all cfl's right now...till i move here pretty soon and build me a grow tent...then im going to veg with cfls and flower with a hps...seems like the easiest..most cost effective way...that and i cant wait to try these new 6500k cfls i got...they are almost as big as a fucking football
 

Short Bus

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@Saladman, I feel what you're saying. I have a really limited overhead in my veg chamber and I haven't figured out how to counter that. Damn things grow up into the lights, get stressed, pain in the ass. I'm thinking about raising the upstairs to give the lower area in my veg set-up more height to work with, then vegging my buckets under intense CFLs, as the big light is upstairs. Could go the other way too. For what it's worth, none of my girls are much bigger than that JtR at 5 days, they still blow up. But yeah, still dialing in my staging in veg. In about a month, you'll see my recent adjustments start to show their results. And for the record (this is embarrassing), I wiped out pretty much all my 16oz plants about a month ago with a pesticide. Like many CA growers, I fight an ongoing war with spider mites. Little cocksuckers, I hate em! Anyway... NEVER go full strength with anything the first time, and be really careful using toxic pest control products as they're probably toxic to your plants too. So I'm struggling a bit, having something like that happen jams you up until you grow new ones. After that disaster, I started making nicotine spray out of recycled cigarrette butts, works like a charm. Smells bad, but kills bugs and the smell doesn't last. I don't smoke grits anymore, but they have their purpose. I'm adding an extra 2-4 weeks in veg, to allow more branch development. That's why I'm now going clone, 10oz, 16oz, 32oz, then 2 weeks in the bucket. As soon as I get my 1000w light, I'm going to set my old 4x4 flower room back up for veg so I have more space/time for plants to veg in their buckets and establish their roots. What I really want to do is set up the old room, then install a set of shelves built to my plants specs for each stage of veg, with flourescents in each shelf. That would leave a ton of floor space to veg my buckets for 4-6 weeks before flower, which is closer to what Hobbes does.

Absolutely no offense taken, brother, I know you want to see me doing well and I appreciate that, so feel free to keep it real. I respect your input. To anyone else, constructive criticism is ok, just none of that "I'm better than you" crap. I've seen a warehouse full of of drying bud, floor to ceiling on lines, I've seen 10s of thousands get transacted like nothing, none of us on this site are pimping like that so l think we could all act civil and be equals who help each other. Real serious dudes probably aren't on the forums a whole lot. Tangent over. Not directed at anyone here or in Grow Lab, but I've been reading some awesome threads lately that would be even better if it weren't for all the hating. So yeah. Burn 1, and be nice to people. You don't have to agree, just respect. :leaf:
 

WvMade

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ive checked those out...those things do seem like they would kick ass...im growing all cfl's right now...till i move here pretty soon and build me a grow tent...then im going to veg with cfls and flower with a hps...seems like the easiest..most cost effective way...that and i cant wait to try these new 6500k cfls i got...they are almost as big as a fucking football
yea i got 2 of those big ass cfls there nice and they don't get hot at all i can grab them after 18 hours
 

djruiner

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yea i got 2 of those big ass cfls there nice and they don't get hot at all i can grab them after 18 hours
these are the ones i got...picked up 4 of them for $25..i think the guy made an error posting them on ebay...i cant find a single one of these for under $20 for 1 bulb now

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Short Bus

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Those things are so perfect for tight spaces. I use a lot of 27 watters, cuz I'm cheap and so are they. It works out.

So I expanded today. After posting the response to Saladman, I thought to myself, "That shelf thing is the ticket. I'll just sit flouro bulbs above em and give each size of plant its own shelf. So I cleared a few shelves adjacent to my garden, and tomorrow I'll get the shelves equipped with lights and plants. The next step will be to drop the top floor of the veg room to allow enough overhead for plants in buckets to get big. I'm planning to keep 6 buckets upstairs and my mother plants downstairs under flourescents. From here on out, the shelf set will be known as the Staging Tower. I like that.
 

Short Bus

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Aw, ya beat me to it. Yeah, definitely read the original Grow Lab thread, it's pretty damn enlightening.

Wv, that's a real good deal in the first link you posted, and it had the ballast (def necessary) and bulb included. I'd go for it, if it's in the budget. Even if you have to pick up an air cooled reflector seperately, you'd be saving money.
 

WvMade

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yea i was gonna get the supacool with it or w/e its called to take out the heat problem

OR ima buy that 150wat HPS system thats ballaste and cooling system is already built in u hang the whole system its damn awsome then all i gotta do it plug it in and im done
 

ThirdHyeOpen

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thanks for the reply bus. yea i was looking at those cmh's but i had already been swindled by a local grow shop. im currently using a 400/ 600 w switchable next gen ballast with 600w digilux bulbs, super soil, and smart pots. i finished my first grow at the beggining of december, wasnt too bad i guess. i had a jack herer, sensi star, and a northern light, all given to me from an vietnam vet.(thanks joe). now i am planning for a perpetual and i happened upon circle cropping and needless to say but i am excited about this technique and hope my future grows turn as well as yours has.
 

ThirdHyeOpen

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a bus there is this guy on the net calling himself the urban organic gardener and he has these do it yourself "self watering buckets", i was wondering if you thought these would/could work in conjuction with the root pruning buckets?
 

Short Bus

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That's a cool site, thanks. In spring/summer, I do quite a bit of food gardening too. Basically, what he's doing with the self watering buckets is a self contained wick hydro system, one of the oldest hydro concepts out there. This could definitely be made to work, although I think periodically letting your rootball dry out encourages new root growth.
 

lbezphil2005

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Thanks bro! Much appreciation!! There is some great stuff on this thread, bro, really loving it. I also really appreciate your comments about the mutual respect thing, keeping it peaceful. It really bites when a good thread gets ruined by a bunch of unnecessary hatred, all because some people like to get under other peoples skin, simple as that.
 
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