Perpetual Growing

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benniespliff

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Not planning on doing this anytime soon but, was curious.


To plan this out do you just decide how often you want to harvest x the number of plants (rows) you put into flower room?

For example, after 4 week vegging:

3 rows harvest every 3 weeks = 9 weeks of flower

4 rows harvest every 2 weeks = 8 week flower

2 rows harvest every 4 weeks = 8 weeks flower


Is this correct?
 
vostok

vostok

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Perpetual Growing, not for the fainthearted or noobies, but trying to get out as many crops as you can in one year, this very much depends on the strain grown, something fast and easy, mostly indica, this is the 'fast food' equivalent, and is very popular with DWC guys, needing to pay the child support ...fast
As a minimum you are looking for minimal veg time and minimal bud time, like 2 weeks veg, 4 weeks bud, 1 week to dry, 1 week to cure ....done
a very popular subject, discussed in most prisons ..lol
 
rickymac21

rickymac21

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Its going to be strain dependent on flowering times. If you get a strain that is ready in 10 weeks, you can harvest every 5 weeks. Or have 3 generations and harvest every 3.3 weeks (25 days).

So yes it is a math equation, but you start with the floweri ng time of the strain.
So flowering time (ft) divided by how often you want to harvest (x) equals the number of rows or generations of clones.

10 week strain... harvest every 2 weeks

10÷2=5 rows/ 5 generations.

A thing to keep in mind is that having plants under 1 light that vary in age that much, will also vary in height. Youll want to be able to raise and lower each row of plants as needed to make sure the younger generation plants dont get shaded from the older generation. Otherwise youll end up with stretchy lower yielding plangs.
 
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urban1026835

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Depends on what your reason for running a perpetual would be.

I do it because I love trying new strains so this way I get to always have 1-2 proven cuts in there in bigger pots and then I tend to run smaller 1 gallons for new strains. one out one in.

It really isn't difficult for me this way but I only do it for myself so I can screw the schedule up (i usually like to harvest a plant every 25 days or so) but if your intent is to maximize turn around time yield etc then yeah can get tedious and difficult.
 
jarvild

jarvild

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I run a perpetual grow with larger plants, two plant rotation every two weeks. I always have a abundance of clones. I have to run some errands right now but if you want more specifics I'll get back with you.
 
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benniespliff

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Thanks for the responses. A few more questions.

1) Would you also have to have "Rows" in the veg room if you want something like a 4 week veg time? Otherwise, your flowering will always be multiples of 4. So, 2 rows 4 week harvest would be 8 week flower and 3 rows would be 12 weeks flower.


2) Can you do perpetual in soil with 2 week veg time? Isn't that to short?
 
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benniespliff

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rickymac21 said:
Its going to be strain dependent on flowering times. If you get a strain that is ready in 10 weeks, you can harvest every 5 weeks. Or have 3 generations and harvest every 3.3 weeks (25 days).

So yes it is a math equation, but you start with the floweri ng time of the strain.
So flowering time (ft) divided by how often you want to harvest (x) equals the number of rows or generations of clones.

10 week strain... harvest every 2 weeks

10÷2=5 rows/ 5 generations.

A thing to keep in mind is that having plants under 1 light that vary in age that much, will also vary in height. Youll want to be able to raise and lower each row of plants as needed to make sure the younger generation plants dont get shaded from the older generation. Otherwise youll end up with stretchy lower yielding plangs.
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What about vegging time would that not effect how often you can add to the flower room or are you placing clones directly into flower?

If you veg for 4 weeks how can you add to the flower room every 2 weeks?
 
rickymac21

rickymac21

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The veg time and number of plants will depend on your flower room size.

Say you use a 1000w hps for flower. Thats a solid 5x5 maybe 6x6 floorspace. Say its 6x6 for this example.

You could do 1 plant per sq ft. So 36 plants. Have 6 rows but 3 generations (2 rows per generation of plants).
With this you can harvest every 3 weeks with a 9 week strain.

Veg time will be short considering each plant only has 1 sg ft of space. 1 week veg would be max for a hydro type setup. 2 week veg for soil . This will also be strain dependent, but its a good rough estimate.

Doing perpetual is a lot of work though. Youll have to have mother plants for sure. Youll need to take clones every 3 weeks obviously. But you need toctime it right. Gotta factor in the rooting time and veg time.

Draw out a floor plan with different aged plants and a schedule of how it will work. Its easier to see it on paper than in your head.
 
vostok

vostok

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Many work with trays, or carts, or even trucks ....lol ... one truck into veg from the germ room, then 1 truck into bud, from the veg room, 1 truck to harvest room, and 1 truck from harvest room to curing room, then to the packing room, just like building a chevy pickup ...lol ...but a minimum of 1 month veg is best ..but again depends on strain
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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benniespliff said:
What about vegging time would that not effect how often you can add to the flower room or are you placing clones directly into flower?

If you veg for 4 weeks how can you add to the flower room every 2 weeks?
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You just have to start two weeks earlier.. Just imagine it with one plant to start and you want to rotate every two weeks.. so you start with your bean/clone and then two weeks later you start another bean/clone.. two weeks later another bean/clone.. two weeks later put first plant in flower and start another bean/clone.. two weeks later put second plant in flower and start another bean/clone... continue and you now have a 2 week perpetual with nice vegged plants
 
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benniespliff

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rickymac21 said:
The veg time and number of plants will depend on your flower room size.

Say you use a 1000w hps for flower. Thats a solid 5x5 maybe 6x6 floorspace. Say its 6x6 for this example.

You could do 1 plant per sq ft. So 36 plants. Have 6 rows but 3 generations (2 rows per generation of plants).
With this you can harvest every 3 weeks with a 9 week strain.

Veg time will be short considering each plant only has 1 sg ft of space. 1 week veg would be max for a hydro type setup. 2 week veg for soil . This will also be strain dependent, but its a good rough estimate.

Doing perpetual is a lot of work though. Youll have to have mother plants for sure. Youll need to take clones every 3 weeks obviously. But you need toctime it right. Gotta factor in the rooting time and veg time.

Draw out a floor plan with different aged plants and a schedule of how it will work. Its easier to see it on paper than in your head.
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1) Do you really need mothers? Could you not take clones from the veg room or would having 1-2 week veg times make it hard to take clones?

2) Still a bit confused with the vegging scheduling. Is this right?

-using soil: Take clones put into cloner for 7 days then move to veg room for 2 weeks giving you a total of 3 weeks before you harvest a generation and move the new one in.

-using Hydro: Wait 1 week before you take clones put into cloner for 7 days then move to veg room for 1 week giving you a total of 3 weeks before you harvest a generation and move the new one in.
 
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benniespliff

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blowincherrypie said:
You just have to start two weeks earlier.. Just imagine it with one plant to start and you want to rotate every two weeks.. so you start with your bean/clone and then two weeks later you start another bean/clone.. two weeks later another bean/clone.. two weeks later put first plant in flower and start another bean/clone.. two weeks later put second plant in flower and start another bean/clone... continue and you now have a 2 week perpetual with nice vegged plants
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-So, just like the flower room you have to have multiple generations in the veg room that add up to your desired vegging time. If you want 6 week veg you have to keep 3 generations on 2 week intervals all the time.

- Is your flower time going to be locked into your veg time length? Meaning you would have to have rows/generations in multiples of 2 weeks to add up to your desired flower time. In this case you would need 4 generations/rows to give you 8 week flower times. How would you keep 9 week flower times with 3 week harvests using 3 generations if you are vegging 2 generations on 2 week intervals for 4 total weeks?
 
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james24

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In my opinion it starts getting to be a lot of work when you start having multiple generations in the flower room and the veg room. You are always working.

I have seen people make it simple by just keeping two generations in the flower room at a time that way you can keep just the new generation in the veg room and you can take clones week 3.

So, you would,

- Start with 10 seeds. Veg them for 3 weeks take clones and veg them 1 more week before you move them to the flower room.

- After the clones root for a week move them to the veg room and veg for 3 weeks before you take more clones. Again veg for another week before moving to the flower.

- This way you keep 2 generations (10 plants per generation) in the flower room at a time, harvest every 4 weeks and flower for a total of 8 weeks.

- You only have to keep 10 plants in the veg room at a time and since you take clones from every plant you only keep the top 10.

- There is also no need for mothers. I have personally always hated the idea of keeping a mother.
 
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benniespliff

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james24 said:
In my opinion it starts getting to be a lot of work when you start having multiple generations in the flower room and the veg room. You are always working.

I have seen people make it simple by just keeping two generations in the flower room at a time that way you can keep just the new generation in the veg room and you can take clones week 3.

So, you would,

- Start with 10 seeds. Veg them for 3 weeks take clones and veg them 1 more week before you move them to the flower room.

- After the clones root for a week move them to the veg room and veg for 3 weeks before you take more clones. Again veg for another week before moving to the flower.

- This way you keep 2 generations (10 plants per generation) in the flower room at a time, harvest every 4 weeks and flower for a total of 8 weeks.

- You only have to keep 10 plants in the veg room at a time and since you take clones from every plant you only keep the top 10.

- There is also no need for mothers. I have personally always hated the idea of keeping a mother.
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Kind of what I had thought.

To others. A side from being locked into the veg length, is this a good option?
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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benniespliff said:
Kind of what I had thought.

To others. A side from being locked into the veg length, is this a good option?
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In a perfect world where clones root in a week etc.. It would be a perpetual but that timing is a little off.. It really isn't that difficult, I think you're kinda freaking yourself out..
 
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