patients and caregiver reality check

I wrote this on another thread, I think it is so real that I had to post it for the whole michigan med community....


Any way I am only going to grow 4 or 5 in this outdoor locked facility simply beacause it will look like 20 from the air - and I need hear no shit from leo this year..

Thus I will have my patient covered with his 2.5 oz free smoke for the whole year in a snap. Getting him right out of my picture for a whole year! All plants grown indoor in the winter will be all mine - to say the least.

This is one reason why I just do not understand all of this BULLSHIT... I can give my cousin 2.5 ounces a month, a year, FOR FREE it's so fucking easy that it astounds me that this is the world I live in! I will never have to charge a patient for his legal amount in my life!

I will grow more then he will be allowed in a year no prob in a blink of an eye - I keep everything after his years stash. -- phase 1

If your caregiver can't grow outdoors get a fucking new one! PEOPLE - gosh holly shit f-n A

Needless to say 3 quarters of the year all the pot I pump out in winter indoors is also mine - my pot is my pot I can do what ever the heck I please with my what they call "overages" I think? My whole f-ing year is overages!!!!

Now the secret is out! and I guess I will indeed see how ingnorant Michigan will become.


KB- and let us not forget about the f-n other 6 that I am to legally have too - they will not be in the med patch but will be grown! perhaps a breeding session may also occur? or better yet find some more mommies for the winters work? idnk but yea they will also be utilized except they will be indoor and out of the eyes of all the helicopters. hmmm maybe there is 4 damn phases?


So yea that is reality.. hack away

1.Indoor>Outdoor.

2. Security for 5 plants which will have a value of at least 10-15k is going to be expensive I bet. I hope you just don't plan on putting a cage with a couple of mean dogs around it, cause anyone with some hamburger patties, sleeping pills, and bolt cutters can get around that.

Why would you tell us that?

You sound like a dumbass kid that has no fucking clue on what the law is? Just about every fucking thing you said is against the law?

It's dumbshits like you, that ruin it for everybody.

"hic" nice screen name, at least you got one thing right.

The first time that I skimmed through, I miss-read some things and thought you were copy/pasting *another person's* post. And then, when I reached the end, I miss-understood and thought the last line was sarcasm:
"So yea that is reality.. hack away "

Honestly (no offense), I thought you were sarcastically saying: "Wow, can you really believe how people think?"

So, a couple questions, which will hopefully clear a few things up:
1. Assuming a single outdoor harvest of 4 plants at 16 ounces each, how do you plan on maintaining legal limits (given that the most a caregiver can have on hand is 6 patients x 2.5 ounces = 15 ounces)?

2. "Getting him right out of my picture for a whole year!" implies that you will be storing his medicine throughout the winter session, when you will also be growing indoors. Again, won't this cause complications, while maintaining legal amounts?

I've been busting my head for a while - considering strategies to optimize production while guaranteeing that legal limits are not broken - and your post seems to just throw all the rules out. I believe I've seen a couple posters (Deprave?) stating that the caveat to being a cardholder is that in the event of breaking the (marijuana) laws, the punishment can be much more harsh than it would be for a non cardholder.

Outdoor in michigan is real sketchy, you have to have some quality shit for it to be legal.

I would think about retaining a lawyer before putting this plan in motion. I agree that we as caregivers need to have the right to grow outdoors, but you must understand that LEO is going to be all over it in Michigan next year. You have a lot more people who are learning about cultivation since MMJ passed in Michigan from either knowing one of the 10k+ caregivers or being one themselves and many of them are probably planning outdoor endeavors this coming season. You must know that how legal you claim to operate if you put huge plants outside on your property in a fenced in enclosure you are painting a target on your back for them to show up. Once LEO is on your property with a signed warrant there is no getting around the huge hassle this will cause you.

Please reference this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/398543-laws-about-outdoor-growing.html
Note the guy from Owosso who not only caught trouble for his outdoor plants, this also lead LEO to his indoor grow which was found to not be secure in the eyes of the law. I am not trying to knock your idea but please you sound like a young man so make sure to do your research and use logic. I know it can be easy to get caught up in what we all do but always be aware that everything is a risk. Obtain legal advice from places other than a internet forum, weigh the risk vs. reward, and make a logical decision. There are many other people like you out here who are trying to figure out a way to utilize the outdoors in our legal ventures, you aren't the first and your won't be the last.

what you're describing is illegal hic...not passing judgement, just letting you know.

weeds247 said:

1.Indoor>Outdoor.

2. Security for 5 plants which will have a value of at least 10-15k is going to be expensive I bet. I hope you just don't plan on putting a cage with a couple of mean dogs around it, cause anyone with some hamburger patties, sleeping pills, and bolt cutters can get around that.

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na don't be worring about that dude I am not a slacker. I assure you all will be legal. but expensive no.

you must be one of the lazy scam artist nice to know your name.

fourtwentychat said:

The first time that I skimmed through, I miss-read some things and thought you were copy/pasting *another person's* post. And then, when I reached the end, I miss-understood and thought the last line was sarcasm:
"So yea that is reality.. hack away "

Honestly (no offense), I thought you were sarcastically saying: "Wow, can you really believe how people think?"

So, a couple questions, which will hopefully clear a few things up:
1. Assuming a single outdoor harvest of 4 plants at 16 ounces each, how do you plan on maintaining legal limits (given that the most a caregiver can have on hand is 6 patients x 2.5 ounces = 15 ounces)?

2. "Getting him right out of my picture for a whole year!" implies that you will be storing his medicine throughout the winter session, when you will also be growing indoors. Again, won't this cause complications, while maintaining legal amounts?

I've been busting my head for a while - considering strategies to optimize production while guaranteeing that legal limits are not broken - and your post seems to just throw all the rules out. I believe I've seen a couple posters (Deprave?) stating that the caveat to being a cardholder is that in the event of breaking the (marijuana) laws, the punishment can be much more harsh than it would be for a non cardholder.

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I can store the weed easy enough where no one will Know where it is..very simple. and I am a card holder.

AlanF said:

I would think about retaining a lawyer before putting this plan in motion. I agree that we as caregivers need to have the right to grow outdoors, but you must understand that LEO is going to be all over it in Michigan next year. You have a lot more people who are learning about cultivation since MMJ passed in Michigan from either knowing one of the 10k+ caregivers or being one themselves and many of them are probably planning outdoor endeavors this coming season. You must know that how legal you claim to operate if you put huge plants outside on your property in a fenced in enclosure you are painting a target on your back for them to show up. Once LEO is on your property with a signed warrant there is no getting around the huge hassle this will cause you.

Please reference this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/398543-laws-about-outdoor-growing.html
Note the guy from Owosso who not only caught trouble for his outdoor plants, this also lead LEO to his indoor grow which was found to not be secure in the eyes of the law. I am not trying to knock your idea but please you sound like a young man so make sure to do your research and use logic. I know it can be easy to get caught up in what we all do but always be aware that everything is a risk. Obtain legal advice from places other than a internet forum, weigh the risk vs. reward, and make a logical decision. There are many other people like you out here who are trying to figure out a way to utilize the outdoors in our legal ventures, you aren't the first and your won't be the last.

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Damn you all must think I have not read the laws! I have read them all. The grow will be legal.. Fuck

cmt1984 said:

what you're describing is illegal hic...not passing judgement, just letting you know.

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How is growing 4 plants for my patient and having a years worth for him illigal? because it is free? nevermind the other aspect of my grows but just the medical.

So I guess I need to put it in NON Worry Wort Form for all the stoners..

I can grow my patients dope outdoors for no charge to him, in a locked real cool real lega withl no-cheap ass china fence-ok.. IT WILL BE LEGAL,I am going to say that just one more time for the ones that cannot read IT WILL BEE 100% LEGAL!

I will even do this without growing my 12 plants..my overages that I accumulate will pay for everything - so my patient does not have too.. WE ARE CARE GIVERS act like one.

As a matter of fact this thread is more for michigan patients then there greedy growers... why what is the problem? You silly growers take your patince pot and make your silly little car payment with it? or better yet go to the bar with it? Whatever We all know why you just jumped on growing that guys weed don't we?

If your caregiver can not grow outdoors and you want free weed all year not just a little bag of it a month for free - GET A NEW CAREGIVER!

hic said:

How is growing 4 plants for my patient and having a years worth for him illigal? because it is free? nevermind the other aspect of my grows but just the medical.

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no dude, being free has nothing to do with it, giving away free meds is not illegal... its because you cant have that much weed on you at once. you can only have 2.5oz per patient. you're talking about sitting on pounds of meds. growing outdoors is illegal as well, unless you are growing in an enclosed, locked facility. have you read the law? not tryin to be a dick there, just wondering.

i dont make any payments with the money i get for my meds, i give away a lot of my overages, the rest goes for $3 a gram...if i could grow like you're talkin, i would do it too and give away meds like crazy, but its breaking the limits and i'm tryin to do this all legit.

you cant hold on to your overages, you have to get rid of them, immediately. thats why they are overages, its over your limit.

cmt- I believe the law states that I may have 2.5 ounces of material in my possesion at any one givin time. You mean to tell me none of you have ever speeded to get to work - cmon everyone bends the law don't make it sound like the FBI is watching everyon- the math does not support that idea?

cmt- I can make it as legal if I use my head. Now the overages can be dealt with swiftly and legally enough. I have no bounderies and no greed. If all of you want to get real technical about the overages - here.

option -1 I have many med patience come over and help me with the trimming. option -2 I grow strains that are not going to be ready at the same time. option -3 I burn the extra. option -4 I give the rest away for a very small fee option-5 If I really start getting paranoid and so terribly worried about it, I give it all away for free.

see cmt - never quit looking.

I can do anything with my dope.. that is the diffrence from you all it seem as though it was never really yours? you all get controled by it. as for me I control mine

yes 2.5oz at once...are you saying 2.5oz will be enough for your patient for a year? you claimed that you can have enough to supply him for a year. thats the only problem i have with your plan. now you're talking about dealing with the overages, but before you said you would hold on to them...i pretty much lost ya man. good luck with your venture.

yes, i speed all the time, speeding tickets dont mean shit...but to lose my MMJ license for life, thats a lot different.

yes, you can do whatever you want, the question is, do you want to say within the limits? i stay within the limits. i was simply letting you know that what you have planned will go outside the limits.

and yes dude, my weed is my weed. im not controlled by it, i sell when i want and smoke what i want. what controls me are the laws of michigan, plain and simple.

why do you need outdoor to supply your patient all year? Are you having that hard of a time at indoor growing? really? Build a better setup!

I am greatfull I am given outdoor weed to give to my patients so I don't have to do outdoor myself although Id love to do outdoor it is borderline illegal, and even if I did do outdoor it would be all extra.

The intention of the law is that outdoor IS LEGAL in an enclosed and locked area, however, some judges have ruled in AGAINST people who grew outdoors in a fenced in area...so if your going to do outdoor understand you take a huge risk and it is borderline illegal and if caught you can be convicted and charged with MULTIPLE FELONYS since you would be deemed as exploiting the medical system - in other words you better have a good lawyer and at the very least know what the prosecutor and LEO are saying about outdoor grows in your area.

If your having financial difficulties listen up, I used to give my bud to my patients 100% free but then I realized how stupid of a thing that is to do, even my bed ridden patients are able to sell half of their meds to a friend making their meds which I give to them for half price 100% free . Dont give away your meds for free that crosses the line of generosity and goes into straight ignorance, you should be compensated for all the hard work, money, and risk you put in atleast with enough money to keep it going.

cmt1984 said:

no dude, being free has nothing to do with it, giving away free meds is not illegal... its because you cant have that much weed on you at once. you can only have 2.5oz per patient. you're talking about sitting on pounds of meds. growing outdoors is illegal as well, unless you are growing in an enclosed, locked facility. have you read the law? not tryin to be a dick there, just wondering.

i dont make any payments with the money i get for my meds, i give away a lot of my overages, the rest goes for $3 a gram...if i could grow like you're talkin, i would do it too and give away meds like crazy, but its breaking the limits and i'm tryin to do this all legit.

you cant hold on to your overages, you have to get rid of them, immediately. thats why they are overages, its over your limit.

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It's cool CMT it's going to be hid very very well where no one will find it and he's a card holder = legal and not overage. It's all good. Hi hic. That's cool at the same time you may want to watch or think about what you're saying. You may end up with the wrong type of attention from the wrong people. I think that is what everyone else is seeing too. Who needs to grow outdoors anyways to keep up on their patients? Why can't people keep up when in doors? I don't think that a ounce a month is going to be falling to short, then again I'm just guessing what your patient needs. Any way I doubt the hiding of overage meds over limits for later use is going to be looked upon kindly. One could argue even if they aren't in your immediate possession you still had control/possession over it.