medicineman
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The knowledge of Iraq as you stated, was manufactured by the neo-cons to brainwash the congress and the American people. It worked.
Palin as VP Choice quite disturbing.
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medicineman
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I find this hilarious, but in reality, they are all brothers under the skin, (oilmen). This is especially entertaining though, we ship our jobs to china and now that they can afford cars, we're shipping the oil also, how appropriate. Globalization has stepped in and reared it's ugly head, corporations rule.
misshestermoffitt
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I think is funny that with all these China earthquakes, China wants US to donate tents. Arent the mutherfucking tents made in China?
Fuck off China, no hand outs. Where the hell were ya'll during Katrina, or 9/11 or the IA floods this spring?
Fuck off China, no hand outs. Where the hell were ya'll during Katrina, or 9/11 or the IA floods this spring?
ViRedd
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Yes, Sara Palin is disturbing ... very disturbing to the ultra-elite leftists in Manhattan and San Francisco; especially those in the Main Stream Media and those who occupy the upper echelons of the women's movement (the NOW gang).
Palin: A self sufficient woman. Five children, executive position (governor), strikes out against corrupt Democrats AND Republicans, hunts, fishes, and life-time member of the National Rifle Association. She is Pro-Life and walks the talk.
Palin is everything the Feminist Movement and the left SAYS they stand for in a woman ... and now they are not only speaking out against her, they are trying to destroy her.
The only thing being destroyed is the credibility of those who are attempting to destroy her.
Vi
Palin: A self sufficient woman. Five children, executive position (governor), strikes out against corrupt Democrats AND Republicans, hunts, fishes, and life-time member of the National Rifle Association. She is Pro-Life and walks the talk.
Palin is everything the Feminist Movement and the left SAYS they stand for in a woman ... and now they are not only speaking out against her, they are trying to destroy her.
The only thing being destroyed is the credibility of those who are attempting to destroy her.
Vi
desertrat
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vi,
i have to agree with you on the hypocracy of the liberal women's movement. however, people can be critical of her without attacking her personally. many would disagree with her and you on the issues. many would disagree with you as to whether she is ready for national primetime (don't come back with obama isn;t either, cause i would agree).
can't we just agree that both parties want what's best for the country and agree to disagree as to who has the best solution?
i have to agree with you on the hypocracy of the liberal women's movement. however, people can be critical of her without attacking her personally. many would disagree with her and you on the issues. many would disagree with you as to whether she is ready for national primetime (don't come back with obama isn;t either, cause i would agree).
can't we just agree that both parties want what's best for the country and agree to disagree as to who has the best solution?
ViRedd
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Oh, I agree with everything you've said in the above post. But, the politics of personal destruction is alive and well on the Left. Not that it doesn't happen on the other side as well, but not to this extent and with this viciousness.
Try to watch Palin's speech tonight. It should be very interesting. I'm hoping she will set the media straight in no uncertain terms ... but she probably won't. If she does, the media (like they should have done, but didn't with Hillary), will paint her as a "whiner."
Personally, I think even more disgusting personal attacks are coming her way as time progresses. I've heard that operatives in the DNC have acquired (stolen) Palin's Social Security Number and are using it to dig into her credit records now.
Vi
desertrat
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come on vi,
the attacks on both sides are pretty petty. as one of the few true independents, i can tell you i have been disgusted equally by the irrelevent and often personal attacks. i don;t think a candidate's daughter is fair game just as i don;t think someone;s minister is fair game.
instead of this crap, i would like to know enough about someone to form a judgement of their character, experience and intentions. i'd also like to know how their actions would be influenced by their party. give me that and i can make an informed decision.
all of the rest of this is noise, entertainment or a sign of a deteriorating society, and depending on how wasted i am one or the other of these options seems best.
the attacks on both sides are pretty petty. as one of the few true independents, i can tell you i have been disgusted equally by the irrelevent and often personal attacks. i don;t think a candidate's daughter is fair game just as i don;t think someone;s minister is fair game.
instead of this crap, i would like to know enough about someone to form a judgement of their character, experience and intentions. i'd also like to know how their actions would be influenced by their party. give me that and i can make an informed decision.
all of the rest of this is noise, entertainment or a sign of a deteriorating society, and depending on how wasted i am one or the other of these options seems best.
misshestermoffitt
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I think the daughter is fair game because Palin voted that schools that teach sex education shouldn't get tax dollars. That is what Abstinence only education is. Your school wants funding? You can't talk about sex or any topic pertaining to it.
I think it's funny that her daughter got knocked up. I'm glad her narrow viewpoint came around and bit her in the ass. It just shows that she didn't bother to educate her daughter at home either.
I think it's funny that her daughter got knocked up. I'm glad her narrow viewpoint came around and bit her in the ass. It just shows that she didn't bother to educate her daughter at home either.
ViRedd
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desertrat
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some wise person once said "can't we all just get along?". nothing palin could do would make her daughter fair game, she is a young human being and does not deserve to be used as a pawn in a political game. its not even a good pawn as you;re likely to get more backlash from the attacks than any benefit.
i find no humor in a the personal tradgedy of a pregnant 17 year old. i reluctantly support abortion rights but that does not give me the right to use someone else's pain for my own gain.
in addition to it not being our business, you have no knowledge of the specific situation in her family. even those of us who support birth control would rather our teenaged children not have sex and do what we can to discourage it.
come on, let this go, you can win without it.
misshestermoffitt
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All I know is that when you are up in arms about something you damn well better follow it through. Abstinence only doesn't work does it? If it did Little Bristol (nothing like naming your kid after a brand of cigarettes) wouldn't be pregnant would she?
Teen pregnancy is 100% preventable.
Teen pregnancy is 100% preventable.
desertrat
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miss, i get that you think the country has been poorly led. i get that you think the republican party cannot change its stripes and don;t want 4 more years of what you've seen for the last 8.
having those feelings is your right.but can;t you see bristol's humanity and respect her right to live her life in private if she so chooses?
ask yourself if winning at any cost is worth it?
having those feelings is your right.but can;t you see bristol's humanity and respect her right to live her life in private if she so chooses?
ask yourself if winning at any cost is worth it?
ViRedd
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OK, I appreciate your attempt at fairness but your comparison is faulty. Here's why:
O'Bama went to Rev. Wright's church for 20 years. Wright and O'Bama are personal friends. O'Bama and his wife were married by Wright. Wright is a racist hate-monger who preaches anti-America rhetoric. If you notice, the media are really keeping him under wraps. Why? Because Wright IS a reflection of O'Bama's character.
On the other hand, trying to destroy Palin over her daughter's pregnancy is ridiculous. If Sarah Palin got her daughter pregnant, the left would have a case ... ~lol~ but to attempt to destroy a candidate because her daughter made a mistake just shows how desperate, grasping and full of fear over this women the Left really is.
Think of what this media exposure is doing to the daughter. A bit insensitive for the "tolerant" progressives, don't you think?
Vi
Caramanica
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Sarah Palin will (and is) be the hottest looking VP in history..........and Cindy McCain aint too bad herself.....all accomplished women who deserve to make there mark on history. OBAMA go back to your mamma!
misshestermoffitt
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What about all the other teen girls that are in the same situation that don't have rich parents to pay for it? Who's going to help them? Kids deserve a right to sex education. Ignoring teen sex just makes things worse. I can't believe that no one can see that.
Maybe her other daughter can get pregnant at 15, that might open her eyes.
Maybe her other daughter can get pregnant at 15, that might open her eyes.
desertrat
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mmm...it never ceases to amaze me how one side thinks its attacks are fairer than the other. in the interests of creating real understanding if not agreement, let me give you an alternative explanation from someone like me who grew up in the black community (and i still can't support obama, but for policy and experience reasons, not character):
look at the facts:
wright - racist
obama - biracial
wright - demagogue
obama - intellectual
guilt by association is a standard tactic of the right. these are two different people with two very different world views. are you really saying that you believe obama holds these views?? instead, isn't it more likely that their shared background was what brought them together, not their very different world views?
desertrat
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vi,
isn't judging someone by the company they keep the same thing as guilt by association with positive spin? actually, i think the adage was directed at teaching children that other people will judge them, perhaps unfairly, by the company you keep. the adage is a warning about the actions of others, not the actions of the person. aren't we mature enough to see the reasons someone might associate with someone else and still hold very different views? can't you see that obama feels a connection to people like rev. wright because of their shared background even as he disagrees with his positions. unless you believe a biracial person can be a racist??
isn't judging someone by the company they keep the same thing as guilt by association with positive spin? actually, i think the adage was directed at teaching children that other people will judge them, perhaps unfairly, by the company you keep. the adage is a warning about the actions of others, not the actions of the person. aren't we mature enough to see the reasons someone might associate with someone else and still hold very different views? can't you see that obama feels a connection to people like rev. wright because of their shared background even as he disagrees with his positions. unless you believe a biracial person can be a racist??
ViRedd
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Its not just his association with Wright. How about his friend Ayers, the 1960's terrorist bomber ... and the Chicago gangster he went partners with in the land deal?
No, I don't think O'Bama is a racist ... he just thinks "typical White People are angery and hunkering down with their guns and Jesus." ~lol~
Vi