ORGANIGRAM 21.2% THC Organic ECOcert MONGOLIAN INDICA
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Peter Tosh Equal Rights
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Thanks again for standing up for what you believe in. Your herb might be kinder than the pee growers herbs. How about growth hormones during cloning? Do you use cloning gel? Do you use products such as rhizotoninic from canna? Those have no place in the food chain. Those Organic ingredients you listed are pretty harsh as well. Sounds like a grow show list of the usual wrong foods growers use. Fish and batshit is not the terps desired in perfect bud. What would you feed a vegetable garden? If you really wanted some nice natural vegetables? There is more to gardening than what a grow shop can offer. Think outside that box and feed with love.
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GrowTeam
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I personally use an IBA (Indole-3-butyric acid) based product called stim root. Here is a link to the EPA website regarding that product
http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/chem_search/reg_actions/registration/fs_PC-046701_1-Aug-00.pdf
"Indole-3-butyric acid is a substance that is closely related in structure and function to a natural growth regulator found in plants. Indole-3-butyric acid is used on many crops and ornamentals to promote growth and development of roots, flowers and fruits, and to increase crop yields. Growers find it more effective and efficient than its natural counterpart because plants cannot break it down as quickly. No harm to humans or the environment is expected to result from use of indole-3-butyric acid."
rhizotoninic from canna, unless Im mistaken, is chlorine. Plants do need some chlorine. People use chlorine in the res at a rate of 2ppm-4ppm to prevent disease. Bad bacteria can easily take hold in a hydro system because there isnt much good bacteria there to keep it in check. An organic hydro farmer wouldnt use chlorine because it will kill his good bacteria population. You certainly wont be "smoking chlorine". An alternate to using chlorine would be h202. Some people are really happy using h202.
The bat shit and fish are fine for the plants. It works well. But my point was you wouldnt want to eat it. Even if the plants love it. And its really great for the plants. Soma swears by bat guano. He writes about lots in his "Organic Marijuana, Soma Style"
I grow my own pepper plants and I use the same powder based fertilizers I would for my cannabis plants. Checkout JR Peters for some really great water solubles. And they are complete so no 10 addons to buy. Im very happy with that brand. I grow my peppers in pro mix hp in pots.
Peter it sounds to me like anything short of sun grown, outdoor, roots in the earth, wont be up to your standards. Im sure lots of people reading this would agree. And thats cool, buy what you like.Or grow how you like. I just wanted to comment on some of the points you made because I got offended.
Peter Tosh Equal Rights
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Thanks for your input. IBA is bad. The description you read is made to fool those into accepting the product as similar to nature. Just get some willow branches and soak them in water if you want natural rooting stimulation. Use lower branches aka suckers to get more effect. Rhizotonic is another bad growth hormone which is very hazzardous to health. Not chlorine. Please don't use either. Tissue culture clones and all IBA treated clones are not safe for humans. Soma can say all he wants about Guano. He just purchases feed from grow stores. Guano can be easily detected by smell and taste in the bud. Why would you want to put something that smells like rodent ass in your mouth and smoke it or eat it? Bone meal the same. Fish emulsion the same? Why? t
Peter Tosh Equal Rights
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Same with Urea aka urine. Not something tasty at all. Your peppers might look nice. I&I wouldn't eat them. You had chance to grow your own food and you chose a shortcut? Take the natural route and you will have the best peppers and bud in town.
GrowTeam
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No the JR Peters brand fertilizer I use for my pepper plants contains no UREA. Its easy to find fertilizer with no UREA. I did take the natural route. Nutrients are created by stars not humans. (Nutrients are chemical elements like NPK)
I had a chance to grow my own. Because Im educated on the subject I used the nutrients I did.There is nothing given to my plants that leaves anything that is toxic to humans in the fruit. Plants will die without nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. Those are mandatory chemicals the plants need. And no matter where you source it from, its a chemical. Just like water is a chemical compound. No matter where you get it from.
If I read something concerning about Stim root I would use something different. A cup of water with nothing added works too. Just takes a bit longer.
You have to remember, water is a chemical compound. And its safe. Any water you get out of your tap is filtered and treated. Do you consider that unnatural?
Now your in a bit of a bad position. You have a standard. In order for any producer to meet your standard, especially in Canada, your going to pay a lot more than $12/gram. You can defiantly source water from mountains, dirt from the richest forests in the world and import or extract any other element that meets your criteria. But the cost of that specific setup is going to be really high. But if someones willing to do that for you, and your willing to pay whatever the price comes out to. Power to you. You found what you where looking for. Of course depending on where you live, like Humbolt County California, I think the natural environment could provide lots what your looking for. Where I live it would be very difficult for me to source the inputs locally to match your production criteria.
My personal opinion is that if I gave you a blind taste and smoke test you wouldnt be able to tell me what was grown organically or not. I see blind taste tests all the time online on youtube, like the one made by penn and tellers bullshit show, and people cant tell. Although everyone thinks they can. I trust the epa website regarding IBA more than a random dude on the internet that makes bold paranoid claims.
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Peter Tosh Equal Rights
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I&I know deep inside you understand. You have a bright mind. Thanks for elaborating. Please don't trust what you read from EPA or FDA or anyone. Look inside your mind and the answers will all be clear. What do I&I have to gain from suggesting willow branches? Better safer cannabis grown by conscious individuals like you. You know that in Humboldt there are some really great farmers. Use them as your guideposts. Water is great. Phosphoric acid is not. Cannabis is great. Poison Ivy is not. Not all chemicals are created equal. Not all plants. Learn which are bad and avoid them. Commercial worm castings come from worms that are fed garbage ranging from zoo animal manure to Wonderbread. Make your own compost with well chosen pesticide free chemical free Fruit and vegetable scraps. Throw some worms in there and let them create you something magical. Use that in soil mixture and feed with water. That will work well with all your fruits and vegetables including cannabis. I&I know you can do it. Anyone can be a great farmer and win any cannabis competition with that simple formula and some nice genetics. One Love
GrowTeam
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Lately because of my job Ive been traveling lots between US and Canada and Ive been talking to growers. Growers in the US more than Canada bring up organic cultivation. Ive been growing non organically for over a decade. Ive dabbled with tea and I really liked it. On a smaller scale. Im trying to learn organic cultivation now. Just for the simple reason that I noticed that when I visited some of the larger facilities some of them have a hydro head grower and a organic head grower. Neither guy knows much about the other guys area of expertise. I imagine one person could do both. However, just like me, I specialize in hydro and Im lacking in organics. My opinion is that a well rounded grower should understand both. Im defiantly out of my comfort zone with the organics but so far its fun. And as a grower, I have to understand customers do want organics. I dont know what the ratio is and I feel like more people in the US demand it than up here in Canada. Hypothetically speaking but if I where a grower trying to sell my cannabis you wouldnt buy from me because I dont use organics. So just looking at this as a business I need to know organics so I dont lose fellas like you. Guys like hydroMD have a one up on me in that sense. He does hydro and organics. Im optimistic that the court case will side in our favor and small grows can operate legally. Really hoping thats the case. MMPR is out of my budget. WAAAAY OUT.
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MMPR is not within anyones budget except those who get it for free. Veterans and Law Enforcement. Even Veterans affairs won't fully fill a large script as they have placed a maximum amount. Tweed has 12 dollars a gram for IRRADIATED under 20% THC. Organigram bumped their prices up to 12 dollars a gram for rodent ass smelling tasting bud. They name something Mongolian that is nothing Mongolian whatsoever. Kind of like naming a Kush a Thaistick for fun. Tilray aka Monsanto has Hit 14 dollars per gram already. No discount for buying a pound makes that. $6356 per pound. Why would anyone pay that for less than a months medicine based on 17.5 gram per day MMAR average script size?
OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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the dry ferts i use contains no urea
the use of IBA in rooting is so inconsequential in the amount used as to be imho N/A
improperly done organics can impart as lousy a taste as over done usage of mineral salts
and yes once we eat anything that is prepared for any kind of longevity we are ingesting not good stuff
also ..give me properly dried green weed not controlled burped cured weed…though some people
do a decent job of it..it is essentially controlled vegetative degradation
the world is polluted, the air, the water,the ground, US, all plants…
but yes one can debate using chlorine for sanitation….
the use of IBA in rooting is so inconsequential in the amount used as to be imho N/A
improperly done organics can impart as lousy a taste as over done usage of mineral salts
and yes once we eat anything that is prepared for any kind of longevity we are ingesting not good stuff
also ..give me properly dried green weed not controlled burped cured weed…though some people
do a decent job of it..it is essentially controlled vegetative degradation
the world is polluted, the air, the water,the ground, US, all plants…
but yes one can debate using chlorine for sanitation….
Peter Tosh Equal Rights
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so it is written.. The day of harvest is near. Separate the tares and burn them. Burn dirty Babylon.
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CannaReview
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Oh man that rag of a website is ran by Sam Cary AKA Mason Godric who pumps CEN biotech. You'll see all PRO CEN articles on there and rest is any bad against MMPR.
CannaReview
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No people are still pumping it hard. Its like a bad case of fungus infection.
TheDizzyBizzy
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Tosh! You fucking rule, dude. Tosh42pointoh