Organics from a bottle?

Do you all really trust when a manufacturer claims that their product is organic?

There are 2 levels of officiall organic; certified and compliant.

Certified means the manufactuer has gone thru training, and been inspected and approved to carry the certified organic banner under strict guidelines.

Compliant means that it says its organic but no governing body has verified it.

I make my own organic nutrients out of my yard clippings via compost. I know exactly what is in it. I know that all material put in has no fertilizers, pesticides, or herbicides. I also know how long it has been curing for and i know the overall health of the pile by being able to touch and smell it myself and inspect the worms that are producing pound upon pound of organic castings.

Composting is free, saves tax money, saves landfill space, and creates material to ammend the soil that pollution decimates.

Rather than reaching for an expensive mix of stuff that you really dont know what is in it or where it came from, go into your own backyard and make your own, or take up worm composting. If you have enough room in your house for a something the size of an old VCR, you can worm compost and get all the free organic nutes you want.

Just look for OMRI

From Wikipedia:

In the US, federal organic legislation defines three levels of organics. Products made entirely with certified organic ingredients and methods can be labeled "100% organic". Products with at least 95% organic ingredients can use the word "organic". Both of these categories may also display the USDA organic seal. A third category, containing a minimum of 70% organic ingredients, can be labeled "made with organic ingredients". In addition, products may also display the logo of the certification body that approved them. Products made with less than 70% organic ingredients can not advertise this information to consumers and can only mention this fact in the product's ingredient statement. Similar percentages and labels apply in the EU.
In the US, the National Organic Program (NOP), was enacted as federal legislation in Oct. 2002. It restricts the use of the term "organic" to certified organic producers (excepting growers selling under $5,000 a year, who must still comply and submit to a records audit if requested, but do not have to formally apply). Certification is handled by state, non-profit and private agencies that have been approved by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA).
One of the first organizations to carry out organic certification in North America was the California Certified Organic Farmers, founded in 1973.

Essentially, you can say you are organic even if you arent for as long as it takes you to get caught. Even if you get caught, who is doing the checking up on you? Then actions have to be taken against you, which could be a while considering the lack of authority and resources private-non profit groups have. And what are the penalties? Fines. Fines that usually are cheaper to pay than go thru a certification process, so its business as usual.

The only reason i bring this is is because in another life i was a chef for many, many years. I keep a close eye on food production and after reading the books An Omnivore's Dilemmia and In Defense of Food, a lot of my fears were confirmed. I dont trust a lot of stuff that i dont touch with my own hands. I have been working at a medical education company for about 10 years now and the health care profession (especially drug companies) is just as corrupt as the food production machine. Dont even get me started on the spin doctors and bullshit artists that work in marketing.

I try to know what i put in my body and where it came from as much as i can, the same with my garden. Its also a long and expensive process to mass produce a truely sustainable organic product.

Well said.

yard composting is the goods especially wean your useing worms to make your own castings but alfalfa meal sea minerals and seaweed aren't that easy to procces
but you can get all you need from the good pile

are you dry of wet composting

I compost outdoors in a pile. All garden waste, lawn clippings, and yard cuttings get thrown into a chipper and left in a pile that i stir all season. I use last years pile for this years garden and start another. When the season is over, i mix the old compost with the new pile to give it a jumpstart and then next spring, im ready to do it again. I never have to add water. I just stir it up a couple of times a week.

I get about 2 tons a year when all is said and done (it sounds like more than it actually is, 2 tons doesnt go too far)which almost all of it goes into the garden. Dark, earthy, and full of worms and castings.

Last years outdoor grow in 3 gallon planters used several different growing mediums. The planters that were 100% compost did the best.