Not to mention the growing trend to juice raw Cannabis, especially immunocompromised folks, which leads to another level of cleanliness and safety.
just to play the devil's advocate: BUT I have heard the the anti-cancer properties of smoking ganja negates the carcinogenic affects of the smoke, making smoking herb more of a neutral activity with regards to cancer. NOT FACT, just a theory so far...
Ya i knew someone was gonna throw that out, just didnt think it would come from you, ya it is a decent theory and thats what i was saying about the CBD's and lymphoma, not to say the tar and heat from smoke cant lead to other lung related issues. I hope im wrong and weed cures cancer. That would be the greatest news ever.
Not that I want to get involved in this Mongolian cluster-fuck but tar from sativa strains breaks down inside the lungs and it also breaks down tobacco tar. That is why it is used for medical patients with breathing problems, it is an expectorant.
Here on my end I consider organic easy and hydro difficult. This, however, is mostly due to the fact that hydro requires growing indoors and becomes much more complex than just putting a plant in the ground and supplying it with good compost.I had hoped to help some people see through the spin marketers put on the organics label. It's something I try to do throughout life, not just on this subject, although I like to think I normally do a better job.For every issue out there which involves passion, someone is there trying to make an unscrupulous buck off it. I had not considered the many factors of organic growing cos frankly, I was thinking from the standpoint of the end user. Does the patient really need to know the details of how organics get broken down to know that they don't want to pay extra for a health benefit that isn't there?
I am a person who loves to learn, so I appreciate all the info shared here. I also realize there is much more to this subject than what I first considered, yet I still maintain my original points. I recently heard Kyle Kushman talk about veganics on a podcast and have been interested ever since. It honestly sounds like the best of everything. In my mind, hydro is easy, organics is challenging, and veganics is advanced. I figure I should master them in that order. So I really don't have anything against organics except for the marketing hype.
Good for you!! You work in the MMJ industry. Me too. In fact, I'm typing this from the budbar right now. And one thing I don't do is proffer remedies of which I don't have complete faith. So when you can come into our shop and tell our patients --several of which have dashed their cancers with experimental THC treatments-- then you can tell me something I don't know. And if you like, PM me and I'll tell you exactly where I am. Then I can surgeon general stitch your mouth shut with some REAL meds, not the jars of fly's wings your shit-shop shovels.
Don't mean to get melodramatic on the dispensaries, I just know what I see. The big-money suppression of our craft tells you something's up. And most of these docs, bought and paid for by the pharm industry, aren't taking care of anything but their bottom line, and that of the insurance companies.
Water is inorganic. By either definition, it does not contain carbon and is not necessarily derived from living or recently living organisms. The whole point of this thread, at least as I understand it, is to point out that organic nutrients must first be broken down into ionic, inorganic forms, which is what "chemical" nutrients are (usually with the addition of chelating agents such as EDTA). If one is "safer" or "healthier" than the other is a debate which even our most advanced science has yet to answer.
Good point and thanks for maintaining clarity of the discussion at hand.Water is inorganic. By either definition, it does not contain carbon and is not necessarily derived from living or recently living organisms. The whole point of this thread, at least as I understand it, is to point out that organic nutrients must first be broken down into ionic, inorganic forms, which is what "chemical" nutrients are (usually with the addition of chelating agents such as EDTA). If one is "safer" or "healthier" than the other is a debate which even our most advanced science has yet to answer.
This goes mostly to my immune suppressed patients, as they are at most risk of any problems. I personally dont believe that chems hurt them either, but im not sure, nor am i willing to risk others safety because of an assumtionKphlash,
I notice that you are berating people for not having proof of product safety, yet you freely admit that you don't know for sure that chemicals are dangerous, just that some are. It would be an err in judgment to preclude that because fire is orange and hot, that all things orange are hot. yes but would it be to say fire of any color is hot. I know where you are going with that, but it does not work with my statement of chems on produce is same as chems on herb.
i am saying I do not know for sure if they are dangerous or not-im being fair, yet somehow people think that because there is no evidence to refute it than it must be safe- its the exact opposite of my argument. Only difference is you dont get hurt from not doing something and i just want people to not put this in absolutes and keep some objectivity
Especially when attaching such bold statements as "STOP SPREADING BULLSHIT WHEN U HAVE NO PROOF! YOU WILL HURT/KILL PEOPLE!" to marijuana, which has never killed anyone.
Im mostly talking about immune suppressed people possibly not being able to get the benefits they need, or intaking chems that can counteract with other meds
Non-hypothetically, CBD isn't present in cannabis in any significant amount because breeders have focused on THC for so many years. Improving it's concentration has more to do with breeding than chemicals. I doubt it cures lymphoma, it does however help people with schizophrenia, thing is, THC can trigger psychosis in schizophrenics. CBD will be very important to the medicinal cannabis community in coming years, as will cannabinoid specific breeding.
all of this i am aware of, I was just stating something a Dr. told me he has noticed in his patients lymphoma
Let's not get too melodramatic about what dispensaries do, either. They don't take care of sick people, doctors do that. Dispensaries simply provide access and cannabis specific knowledge, analogous to a pharmacy.
I agree and disagree with this, you dont have a choice of medicine at a pharmacy, and a patient is limited to the selection, honesty, and knowledge of a dispensary. There are too many BS artists, putting 1 strain in 5 jars, selling schwag or some unknown bullshit. I float forums and scientific sites for new advancements and treatments, as well as intake methods and what strains work best for what illness. So in essence, if a budtender is good, he is a mix of Dr. and Pharmacy.-so like a nurse practitioner
This thread originally focused on fertilizers, not pesticides. In that context, I don't believe chemicals are inherently dangerous, even to med users.
DOC u continue to impress, and thank you for stating my point more eloquently. I wait for the eggheads in white coats to figure this out, i have more important things to do- i just send a lot of patients here to read on growing, and i pray none of them stumble on this threadWater is inorganic. By either definition, it does not contain carbon and is not necessarily derived from living or recently living organisms. The whole point of this thread, at least as I understand it, is to point out that organic nutrients must first be broken down into ionic, inorganic forms, which is what "chemical" nutrients are (usually with the addition of chelating agents such as EDTA). If one is "safer" or "healthier" than the other is a debate which even our most advanced science has yet to answer.
Time to get some glass reservoirs bro
The funny thing is the 2 are closely related, which probably contributes to a lot of the confusion. Most organic molecules came from or are synthesized by living things, although it is certainly possible to synthesize organic molecules. Organic gardening is using (mostly) material that comes from living or recently living things, which requires a symbiotic relationship to break down nutrients into inorganic, ionic forms. I realize YOU probably know this but we have a lot of people who lack a basic understanding of science and/or botany, so I find it necessary to repeat information like this so it hopefully gets noticed and sinks in.
