orange and black like spot on seedlings?

Brick Top

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I would consider testing your soil and water’s pH level. You could have nute burn but you could also have a case of nute lockout. Certain deficiencies can give the same symptoms, the same look/appearance as nute burn so to eliminate as many possibilities as possible and to be able to narrow it down I would suggest testing your water and soil’s pH levels.
 

strey

Active Member
trust me i really want to test the ph for sure but i am broke atm so.. i tink it may be a magnese / starting a magnesium lock outs and or a iron nute problem just sum of the thoughts that are running threw my head


from the grow faq here so poeple dun need to look more do these seem like possible problems? what ya guys think?


Iron Toxicity:
Excess accumulation is rare but could cause bronzing or tiny brown spots on leaf surface.

Manganese (Mn)
Manganese is involved in the oxidation reduction process in the photosynthetic electron transport system. Biochemical research shows that this element plays a structural role in the chloroplast membrane system, and also activates numerous enzymes.
Manganese Deficiency:
Interveinal chlorosis of younger leaves, necrotic lesions and leaf shredding are typical symptom of this deficiency. High levels can cause uneven distribution of chlorophyll resulting in blotchy appearance. Restricted growth and failure to mature normally can also result.
-Mn gets locked out when the pH is too high, and when there's too much iron. Use chelated Mn.
Manganese Toxicity:
Toxicity:Chlorosis, or blotchy leaf tissue due to insufficient chlorophyll synthesis. Growth rate will slow and vigor will decline.


Magnesium (Mg)

Magnesium is a component of the chlorophyll molecule and serves as a cofactor in most enzymes.
Magnesium (Mg) deficiency:
Magnesium deficiency will exhibit a yellowing (which may turn brown) and interveinal chlorosis beginning in the older leaves. The older leaves will be the first to develop interveinal chlorosis. Starting at leaf margin or tip and progressing inward between the veins. Notice how the veins remain somewhat green though as can be seen in figure 15.
Notice how in figure 16 and 17 the leaves curl upwards like they're praying? They're praying for Mg! The tips may also twist.
This can be quickly resolved by watering with 1 tablespoon Epsom salts/gallon of water. Until you can correct nutrient lockout, try foliar feeding. That way the plants get all the nitrogen and Mg they need. The plants can be foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water). When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil.
If the starting water is above 200 ppm, that is pretty hard water, that will lock out mg with all of the calcium in the water. Either add a 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of epsom salts or lime (both will effectively reduce the lockout or invest into a reverse osmosis water filter.
Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.
 

phoenix58

Well-Known Member
It still seems way too early for such PH issues/lock out etc to do that much damage to leaves! However, whats done is done so we have to address the issue of allowing them to recover. You WONT stop that damage spreading to those leaves already affected, what you need to be looking for now are signs of strong and healthy new growth. Honestly, I'd move them up one pot size with good soil/perlite and just let those roots stretch into fresh 'clean' soil....they will quickly recover that way. The more you flush delicate root systems the more you drown them. Dont water the fresh soil for a good few days then introduce gradually, measuring the quantity each time so you get a feel for whats correct.

It COULD have been the Hydrogen Peroxide, but if you have flushed then just pot them up as above. You want a tip from an old timer? ..... put all that stuff away and just feed seaweed and then only once or twice during the first 3/4 weeks of veg. You wont get any of that burning or damage at all, honestly they just dont need to be fed so early.

Take a quick look at my thread below...... my plants are fed NOTHING but seaweeds and fishy bits off the beach........start to finish. Quirky maybe, but theres too much pushing of aggressive commercial nutrients/additives thesedays and endless number of new growers are seeing the same thing happen.

Hope this helps you in some small way, they will pull through just fine :-)
 

strey

Active Member
thx for the advice! ya they maybe root bound the root system looks healthy i mean as in the soil has roots through out the medium and as far up as 1/2 from the top of the soil ffd recomened to let them dry out a for a few days also so they are drying maybe looking better... less droppy but the spot are spreading upward faster.. wut about fish fert? 5-1-1 kinda on a budget plus its winter here so not really gunna go ask all around my small town asking for seaweed fert( but i will try to get sum asap i have herd alota good about it over the few yrs.. the soil was about 6 hyponex soil and rest perlite and vermi was a spongy soil and drys quickly! i'll proly should w8 few days b4 transplanting to let the soil dry a lil more yes? ... seriously i'm about ready to rip up these up and start all over.... cuase i can't find ne thing that looks like this on the whole net..... i been spending hrs trying to find sumthing is similar and w8ing for a straight awnser to come up empty handed. not saying that you guys are wrong or your advice is bad i am gunna listen to guys no matter wut seeing i can't find the solution... cuase the problem is getting worse and worse and spreading faster and faster for sumthing to be such a visible problem it has beena pain in the ass to find out what it is and come up with nothing.( just how im feeling) i am actuallt thinking bout feeding them i mean wut thew worse that can happen if i feel like this.. 1) it dies a lil faster than it already is or 2) it turns around...


btw pheonix the spreading is moving up the plant and infecting newer growth now.... it went from the single serated blade leaf to the 3 leaves now i am starting to see the spots on the 5 blades leaves seems like is spreading faster....


sry just irritated ... im trying to get a outdoor grow right going this yr by getting 1 mom and cloning the crap outa her in spring and this is my first actaul indoor veg. attemp other than seedlings.... and its like i got the mythical no has a solid clue wtf the problem is problem the first time around....

so if i offened ne one i am sry just venting a lil. just pisses me off watching this crap spread faster and faster and not being able to help my babies out....

thx all for ur time i'll quit bothering u guys with this problem now......

~Strey~
 
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