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opinions on chem gro 4-20-39 and other CHEAP DRY NUTES

Discussion in 'DWC/ Bubbleponics' started by Cold$moke, Jan 3, 2018.

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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Hey all, smoke here just trying to pick the brains of those more experienced then myself with DRY NUTES. Ive read old threads so here is a new one.

    Im Tired of buying bottled water with nutes in it lol. Not saying bottled nutes suck but im done with hydro store markup.


    What im looking for.
    DRY.
    COLORLESS (or as close to).
    Options of adding bio stimulants or running sterile ish.

    Would like high quality but not paying for useless artist work on heavy to ship bottles that require multiple supplements. Just sayin

    If anyone has opinions on the nutes below please let me know.

    Been looking at the chem gro 4-20-39 along with their cal nitrate and mag. And any opinions on hydro gardens chem gro formulas

    I wouldnt mind getting all the individual salts to make my own but would like to start with a "base" that smarter people then me put together for now lol

    Custom hydronutrients has some masterblend for tomatoes.

    Kelp 4 less has some formulas as well but i would like to stay with just salts for the moment without kelp unless i add it. (Although I like kelp )

    Hydroponics research veg plus bloom. Let me know.

    Green leaf nutrients (already heard its not clear)

    Jacks hydroponic mix

    Maxibloom ( not too interested i want somthing that larger food producing hydro farms use )

    Any other companys that have COMPLETE nutrition in dry SOLUBLE form

    Thanks all in advance
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Nada?
    @ttystikk would like to hear your thoughts on this :)
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    i like maxibloom. cheap, works well.

    i've been trying half floranova, half maxi. best of both worlds. but not clear liike you want.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Nice thanks for the heads up for sure.

    Ive run gh 3 part
    Botanicare pure blend and cns17
    Advanced gmb
    And trying some raw nutrients
    Now i want cheaper lol but still high quality dont like to cut corners but dont like paying for fluff either
    :)
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    tty should be able to help. the place he gets his nutes is hydrogardens ( i think) in colorado springs from what i remember. save on shipping if you are CO local.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Thats perfect as that is what im looking at .


    Hopefully hell chime in
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Hey buddy, just been busy with the family.

    Chem-gro aka hydro-gardens, on Vollmer Rd in Colorado Springs.

    I run the 5-11-26 hydroponic special mix with micros. Equal parts with calcium nitrate, half that much epsom salt, all by weight.

    For bloom I add 25% more mix and 1/4 by weight of MKP.

    I generally don't need to adjust pH but your water conditions may vary.

    Example;
    Veg
    100g mix
    100g calcium nitrate
    50g epsom

    Bloom
    125g mix
    100g calcium nitrate
    50g epsom
    25g MKP

    ...and that's it. Do not ask the nice lady about 'bud blood' or 'voodoo juice' or she'll sic her cat on you...

    The 4-20-39 mix is better for bloom (no need to add MKP) but isn't quite as versatile for for other uses. And MKP is cheap.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the knowledge, as always. ..
    ill place my orders this week been waiting for ya.
    Had it narrowed to hydro gardens and jacks.
    But everyone uses jacks and i like to be a little different o_O

    And NO SIR im DONE shoping at hydro shops
    The pretty bottle can kick rocks lol
    I want what major agriculture is using :)
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Some of the biggest commercial facilities in Colorado use their nutes. Why pay more?
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    I know, i know ,took me a while to take the right pill lol.

    Im like , how come farmers in the netherlands arent using advanced nutes or gh lmao I'm OVER it .

    The last "botique" nutes im running is RAW from npk (till its gone cause its 70$ for 2 lbs lol)

    They at least turned me on to the idea of powders in my res :)

    Now im trying to reduce my operating costs and simplify even thinking of takeing 1 rdwc system out of my room so i can do a side by side
    Rdwc and simple drain to waste table to see if rdwc is more productive
    I LOVE THE WATERFALLS but i hate having my circ pump running 24/7:)

    Thanks for stopping in ttystikk
     
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    chemphlegm

    chemphlegm Well-Known Member

    no fuss here.
    I have shelves of the best nutrient systems I've used in the past.
    The best is Organicare dry fertilizer. cost is less than 3 dollars for the life of the plants.
    no bottled or dry has ever come close to the expressions I get. 100% certified organic too if that matters.
    it does smell some though. I add nothing but water while following their directions. year after year after year, the only fails I ever had was when I followed the advice I got here to add something else to the buckets.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Size your pump properly and it shouldn't be an issue. They don't pull many watts, nothing compared to the lights.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    I assume its hydro Bueno? For rdwc

    My main thing is i want a clear as possible solution i like kelp and liquid karma but i hate seeing it on my roots same for advanced and botanicare pureblend

    Ill give it a look for sure .
    I know I keeping giving my lady "expensive " nutes i dont use anymore :) lol

    Im going to order at least 5 pounds from hydro gardens (i figured it will last me a while yet not be sitting around if i dont use it all ) dont see why i would though

    But for 3 bucks a run i will do a little research on the organicare as i really had great results with all botanicare products, much better then some .

    Thanks for chiming in man also would love to hear about that road kill skunk :)
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Dry nutes keep indefinitely. Once mixed, use within 2 weeks.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    I sure like hearing the falls this is half my System in its trial run . Im running it on low levels as an experiment with bigger airgap at the top (fuzzy roots) 900gph with around 20 to 30 gals
    20180102_155357.jpg
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I ran half a dozen 27 gallon tubs on a 660gph pump.

    In veg I ran 26 five gallon buckets on a single 1350gph pump. The water doesn't need to blast, just falling a few inches is enough.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Yea when i bought my pump i wanted 0 dead spots ;)
    Definitely have enough flow but its not crazy violent ... id say like a mild creek i forgot what my circ time calced out to be but it comes out of the tees with enough force to make tubular sheets of water (like flooming?) But its not violent

    Thats good to know i have basically the same setup on the ther side of the room but with 5 g buckets on a 400 gph but i thought it was underpowered since it just trickles out mabey im ok as plants seem to enjoy it but i also have stones in that one as redundancy

    Ive found as ive read that the DO is easy to get in the water but harder to get even flow around the roots (dont know how correct i am)
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    @ttystikk i know those pics of your vertical grow gave me some great ideas talk about plant submission!
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Appreciate the opportunity to help.

    The work I've done means nothing if others don't get the benefits. Pass on the knowledge every chance you get!
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    you can use it in dwc/hydro?
     
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