Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

ccodiane said:

Thousands of rats were released into the ground floor ducting system hours before the false flag operation commenced, each wearing its own little suicide vest, armed with timers, detonators, and nitroglycerin. At the exact moment the rats were released, a 1/4 ton block of Limburger cheese was deposited into the air conditioning condensers located on the top floor of the building. The race to the top was on. The rest, as we say, is history.

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I thought that was the dumbest ending for an action movie ever btw.

(in reference to the movie Wanted...)

Action movies are for fags.....I don't watch them.

AchillesLast said:

that video was so void of explanation on tower 7, I barely even got anything out of it. They gave a 5 second explanation that it had to do with structure fires? And that will somehow make the building fall at free fall speed?

Btw I just want to say, that if you believe the two towers fell at free fall speed from fires then you probably also believe the warren commissions "magic bullet" theory from the JFK assassination. Both things logically don't make sense.

It's simple physics, had the buildings collapsed from a fire near the tops floors, each floor would have fallen slower because they would have to smash into each other consecutively causing a substantial loss of momentum as each floor had to collapse onto the next. However if a building's base was attacked then the building would fall at free fall speed as there is nothing below it to support. All the floors would be falling at once, collapsing bottom to top just as the WTC towers fell.

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Exactly my point! +Rept to you! (FYI- I think I sent a blank +Rep, by mistake.. I usually sign my Reps but I pressed the enter button by accident)

(I'm not a doctor but) I'm very good with math, physics, science, engineering and etc. I have done copious amounts of research on the incursions of 9/11. I don't spend my time arguing with people when all a person needs to do is have the mentality of a 4th grader to see that WTC7 was taken down by something else besides "office fires".

People will argue for hours going on how the office fires ruined the integrity of the building and blah blah blah... But, if a person can honestly look at how WTC7 feel, and actually believe that it was exclusively because of "office fires" than I feel bad for these people. A lot of people are in denial because they can't handle the truth or they don't want to.

I don't think I'm any better than anyone, but I do believe some people ARE somewhat brainwashed. I honestly don't blame the people, maybe their parents put them in front of the TV instead of paying attention to their kids.

I'm not saying that people are stupid (maybe a little uninformed though) if they can't see how WTC7 was taken down by something other than "office fires", but I am asking people to look at it again with an open mind. Its almost synonymous to when people believed the Earth was flat. The consensus was 'the Earth is flat', just because thats what they were told, and even though it WAS WRONG!


The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

ViRedd said:

OK, GR ...

Explain how demolition experts were able to infiltrate offices to implant explosives in order to bring the buildings down. You've brought up Building #7 before ... so forget the main towers and concentrate on Building #7.

Vi

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Put in under the guise of construction work prior to 911 ... that's how ... it would be easy to pull off too ... in fact there are reports speculating on the matter ... a full non partisan investigation ... like the Canadians and Japanese want to have would probably reveal why they destroyed the evidence of the buildings so quickly ...

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Beslan School Massacre holds clues for WTC - Pentagon/911 ?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]- "Construction/Maintainance "Plumbers" "hide Explosives during Summer Break" : a New York - Washington - Memphis' link ?

[/FONT]Micro Nukes (WMD) in the WTC - 911 Inside/Outside Job

GR Sez ...

"Put in under the guise of construction work prior to 911 ... that's how ... it would be easy to pull off too ... in fact there are reports speculating on the matter ... a full non partisan investigation ... like the Canadians and Japanese want to have would probably reveal why they destroyed the evidence of the buildings so quickly ... "

Well thank God we have people taking this "speculation" as fact!

Vi

ViRedd said:

GR Sez ...

"Put in under the guise of construction work prior to 911 ... that's how ... it would be easy to pull off too ... in fact there are reports speculating on the matter ... a full non partisan investigation ... like the Canadians and Japanese want to have would probably reveal why they destroyed the evidence of the buildings so quickly ... "

Well thank God we have people taking this "speculation" as fact!

Vi

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Its OBVIOUS that the US Government would never lie to the people...

thank god.

You're funny, GR.

I asked you to present facts and you post "speculation." Then you turn around and call me a "Bushie" and say that my mind is blanking out "facts."

Mind boggling, simply mindboggling.

Vi

ViRedd said:

You're funny, GR.

I asked you to present facts and you post "speculation." Then you turn around and call me a "Bushie" and say that my mind is blanking out "facts."

Mind boggling, simply mindboggling.

Vi

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Uhhh, Vi, you first must have a mind to Boggle,~LOL~.

medicineman said:

Uhhh, Vi, you first must have a mind to Boggle,~LOL~.

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Well, I don't see you doing much "boggling" around here as of late. Now go to the other thread and take the political test, ya big chicken.

Vi

ViRedd said:

You're funny, GR.

I asked you to present facts and you post "speculation." Then you turn around and call me a "Bushie" and say that my mind is blanking out "facts."

Mind boggling, simply mindboggling.

Vi

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Bullshit ... you ask me to explain how they did it ... and I did ... it may not be enough for you ... but it's certainly enough for Japan, Canada, Germany and other countries that don't buy the lie ... why do they want an independent investigation if this is just a nut-job conspiracy? Can't answer that one can you ...
You bushies may have a hard time seeing and dealing with the truth but at least most outside the US have no trouble what so ever ...

Here is the "official" US government story of what happen to WTC building 7 ... for the record I will put it up ...

Questions and Answers about the NIST WTC 7 Investigation
"Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses."



Okay ....

WMP
9/11/2001 radio broadcast: "...I was just standing there, ya know... we were watching the building [WTC 7] actually 'cuz it was on fire... the bottom floors of the building were on fire and... we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder..."

Prison Planet
"Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it..."

Larry Silverstein, WTC 7,
and the 9/11 Demolition

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence.

So there you have it ... you decide ... once you view the reports ...

Heres an interesting op-ed from Pravda ... check it ...
Impeachment is Not Enough


A preponderance of evidence shows that the highest officials of the Bush Administration, in collusion with many other officials from the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, FEMA, NSA, NORAD, New York City officials, air-traffic contollers, airline executives, controlled demolitions experts, computer graphics technicians, media executives, and others together planned and committed the horrible attacks of 9/11/2001 against the Pentagon and the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 9/11 attacks were immediately blamed on some bogus 'Arab highjackers', a half dozen of whom were later confirmed to be still alive, and therefore innocent, after the 9/11 attacks. The false-flag 9/11 attacks provided the excuse for the US government's 'War on Terrorism', the chief purpose of which is for the USA to gain control of the lucrative oil fields of the Middle East.

Man ... it didn't take the truthseeker long to trash the NIST's bullshit with the facts ... here's yet another take on the report ...

Surprise! NIST concludes fire dropped WTC7 at free-fall into its own footprint
But NIST has their own theories replete with colorful computer generated graphics showing fires spreading (asymetrically) and girders falling in their complicated report. But wait.... I saw the video of the building falling and I saw what appears to be a classic controlled demolition. I hypothesize controlled demolition as the primary hypothesis - but NIST doesn't. I wonder why? Richard Gage from AE911truth begs to differ with NIST especially since tons of molten metal were found 21 days after the attack.

... and another still ...
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/debunking-nists-conclusions-about-wtc-7.htmlhttp://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/debunking-nists-conclusions-about-wtc-7.htmlhttp://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/debunking-nists-conclusions-about-wtc-7.html[URL="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/debunking-nists-conclusions-about-wtc-7.html"]Debunking NIST's Conclusions about WTC 7: Easy as Shooting Fish in a Barrel[/url]
NIST also said: "No blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses." Oh, really?


Nay sayers can't plead ignorance, because the FACTS have been posted ... so they are just plain ...

Saturday, August 23, 2008

NTSB Filght Data: Official 'Explanation' of Flight 93 is a Criminal Fraud!

Following is Damien's report: The evidence discrepancies from Flight 77 are echoed in the absurdities of Flight 93. This from Pilots for 911 Truth:1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.

2. All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.

3. Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.

4. Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.

5. Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.

That's right, the flight data recorder has the plane impacting upside down at 40 degrees to the horizontal. You could google all day and never find an image showing where the huge tail hit the ground! You will only ever see vertical impact photos. The only photo shows a smoke plume more consistent with a smaller ordinance explosion. There are no heavy kerosene fumes filling the sky. According to FDR data there was 17.01 tons (5,500 gals) of fuel left at time of impact. Yet the EPA found no ground contamination from jet fuel. Unbelievable!

"We (were) literally surrounded by debris, and there's a very strong odor of scorched earth," witness Jim Parsons reported. "It doesn't smell like jet fuel, it smells like ... How do you describe it? Burned earth. It smells like burned earth." - Pittsburgh Channel (09/11/01)

The impact hole is 75' wide and the aircraft is 125' feet wide. (See also here)

The volume of debris is too small. The only photos released by the authorities showing small debris. Multiple witnesses at the Shanksville site reported on the lack of debris. The FBI claims that it recovers 95 percent of the plane and sent it on to United Airlines. That would be about 60 tons of plane debris. I defy anyone to produce evidence that 60 tons of plane debris was taken from Shankesville or forwarded to UA. Lies!

Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller reported that they had found "unspecified human remains and enough minuscule pieces of plane debris to fill one-third of a dumpster." That's right, 1/3 of a dumpster! This dumpster!

The "recovered" remains, allegedly from Fl93, are anomalous and are suggestive of evidence tampering. -- A terrorist passport found in the streets of New York that "survived" the WTC attacks and a Koran and materials recovered from Mohammed Atta's car all apear to be staged evidence, as does the unmarked red bandana and terrorist driver's licence recovered at Shanksville. When 200 airline seats are totally destroyed you don't expect to find unmarked red bandanas and bibles!

The human remains (600 lbs) does not compare with the passenger weights (4 tons). Modern, high temperature crematoria take 2 hours to burn bodies yet we are expected to believe that 4 tons of human remains disappeared ("vaporised") in an instant leaving only 150- 600lbs of tissue shreds. The temperatures were simply not high enough to dispose of that volume of human remains in such a small time frame. If the bodies burned above ground they would have left a recognizable offensive smell (burnt tissue like at a BBQ) that would have been noticed just like at other aircraft crash sites. Carbon based objects such as humans, luggage and seating require oxygen to burn. If they were burned above ground they would have produced larger amounts of smoke than was seen. Had they passed into the ground they would not have burned because there was no oxygen; they might have been shredded, but not consumed by fire. So if the seats burned above ground then 200 seat frames would be there somehwhere. They're not. Instead, we have this.

Officially, the largest piece found of Fl 93 was a seven-foot-long piece of the fuselage skin, including four windows. Given that the wings are 125' wide with a 40' high tail then that's a load of baloney right there!

There is no verifiable evidence chain of custody on the debris, human remains or FDR.

The FBI refused to allow either the FAA or NTSB carry out investigations required of them by law and which they had undertaken as standard procedure for ALL previous aircraft crashes occuring in the US over many decades. The FBI did NOT carry out any forensic evaluation of the crash nor permit anyone else to do so. That's a profoundly unprofessional course of action given that one caller from Fl 93 late in the flight said a bomb had possibly blown up in the plane.

Neither the NTSB or the FAA handled the evidence, only the FBI. Isn’t that their job? -- yes it is, but they have no legal authority to prohibit, hinder or obstruct legally mandated inquiries by the FAA and the NTSB that should have taken place. They were forbidden from doing so. The FBI also had clear obligations in regard to the handling of evidence which they failed to fulfill. The usual investigative procedures in regard to flight crashes and the handling of evidence were not followed in regard to 911.

Whatever happened at Shanksville, the official 911 account is baloney! In Aug 2006 a Russian plane, almost identical in size to Fl93, crashed in Siberia. They recovered 140 bodies and huge amounts a debris. But nothing like that at Shankesville. --Damien

i find it telling that before 9/11 you could watch several demolitions a week on the tube but since 9/11 all of those shows disappeared from TV. It`s just too obvious when you start comparing other controlled demolitions to the WTC ones

omegafarmer said:

i find it telling that before 9/11 you could watch several demolitions a week on the tube but since 9/11 all of those shows disappeared from TV. It`s just too obvious when you start comparing other controlled demolitions to the WTC ones

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How many channels do you get? I've seen several controlled building demolitions since 9-11 ... but then I have the Dish and get more channels than I can watch. The last one I saw was a rerun of either the Flamingo or the Stardust hotel in Las Vegas ... I forget which.

Vi

guess its been long enough. are the comedians doing 911 jokes yet?

omegafarmer said:

guess its been long enough. are the comedians doing 911 jokes yet?

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GrowRebel is the resident 9/11 comedian.

Vi