Obama sucks Goldman's Sack ...

ViRedd

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CAN'T WE AT LEAST GET A TOASTER?
by Ann Coulter
January 27, 2010

In the wake of the Massachusetts Miracle last week ("The other Boston Massacre"), President Obama adopted a populist mantle, claiming he was going to "fight" Wall Street. It was either that or win another Nobel Peace Prize.

Now the only question is which Goldman Sachs crony he'll put in charge of this task.

If Obama plans to hold Wall Street accountable for its own bad decisions, it will be a first for the Democrats.

For the past two decades, Democrats have specialized in insulating financial giants from the consequences of their own high-risk bets. Citigroup and Goldman Sachs alone have been rescued from their risky bets by unwitting taxpayers four times in the last 15 years.

Bankers get all the profits, glory and bonuses when their flimflam bets pay off, but the taxpayers foot the bill when Wall Street firms' bets go bad on -- to name just three examples -- Mexican bonds (1995), Thai, Indonesian and South Korean bonds (1997), and Russian bonds (1998.

As Peter Schweizer writes in his magnificent book Architects of Ruin: "Wall Street is a very far cry from the arena of freewheeling capitalism most people recall from their history books." With their reverse-Midas touch, the execrable baby boom generation turned Wall Street into what Schweizer dubs "risk-free Clintonian state capitalism."

Apropos of the Clintonian No-Responsibility Era, Goldman Sachs and Citibank became heavily invested in Mexican bonds after a two-day bender in Tijuana in the early '90s. Any half-wit could see that "investing" in the dog track would be safer than investing in a corrupt Third World government controlled by drug lords.

But precisely because the bonds were so risky, bankers made money hand-over-fist on the scheme -- at least until Mexico defaulted.

With Mexico unable to pay the $25 billion it owed the big financial houses, Clinton's White House decided the banks shouldn't be on the hook for their own bad bets.

Clinton's Treasury Secretary, Robert Rubin, former chairman of Goldman, demanded that the U.S. bail out Mexico to save his friends at Goldman. He said a failure to bail out Mexico would affect "everyone," by which I take it he meant "everyone in my building."

Larry Summers, currently Obama's National Economic Council director, warned that a failure to rescue Mexico would lead to another Great Depression. (Ironically, Summers' current position in the Obama administration is "Great Depression czar.")

Republicans in Congress said "no" to Clinton's Welfare-for-Wall-Street plan.

It's not as if this hadn't happened before: In 1981, Reagan allowed Mexico to default on tens of billions of dollars in debt -- Mexico claimed the money was "in my other pair of pants" -- leaving Wall Street to deal with its own bad bets.

As Larry Summers expected, this led like night into day to the Great Depression we experienced during the Reagan years ... Wait, that never happened.

At congressional hearings on Clinton's proposed Mexico bailout a decade later, Republicans Larry Kudlow, Bill Seidman and Steve Forbes all denounced the plan to save Goldman Sachs via a Mexican bailout.

So the Clinton administration did an end run around the Republicans in Congress and rescued improvident Wall Street bankers by giving Mexico a $20 billion line of credit directly from the Treasury's Exchange Stabilization Fund.

Relieved of any responsibility for their losing bets, Wall Street firms leapt into buying other shaky foreign bonds. Soon the U.S. taxpayer, through the International Monetary Fund, was propping up bonds out of South Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, then Russia -- all to save Goldman Sachs.

The IMF could have saved itself a lot of paperwork by just sending taxpayer money directly to Goldman, but I think they're saving that for Obama's second term.

Throughout every bailout, congressional Republicans were screaming from the rooftops that this wasn't capitalism. It was "Government Sachs." As Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) put it, the same rules that apply to welfare mothers "ought to apply to rich Greenwich, Conn., investors who are multimillionaires."

But Wall Street raised a lot of money for the Democrats, so Clinton bailed them out, over and over again.

Before you knew it, once-respectable Wall Street institutions were buying investment products even more ludicrous than Mexican bonds: They were buying the mortgages of Mexican strawberry-pickers.

Why shouldn't Wall Street trust in suicidal loans no sane person would ever imagine could be paid back? Time after time, when their bets paid off, they pocketed huge fees; when their bets failed, they sent the bill to the taxpayers.

With nothing to fear, the big financial houses bought, repackaged and resold investment products that included loans like the one issued by Washington Mutual to non-English-speaking strawberry pickers earning a combined $14,000 a year to purchase a $720,000 house.

But the financial wizards on Wall Street were trading these preposterous loans as if they were bars of gold. They may as well have bet the entire U.S. economy on a dice game in an alley off 44th Street.

Every mortgage-backed security bundle was infected with suicidal, politically correct loans that had been demanded by community organizers such as Barack Obama -- as is thoroughly documented in Schweizer's book.

On the off chance that mammoth mortgages to people who could barely afford food somehow went bad, Wall Street firms could be confident that their Democrat friends would bail them out.

Even the Republicans would have to bail them out this time: They had strapped the dynamite of toxic loans onto the entire economy and were threatening to pull the clip. Wall Street had infected every financial institution in the country, including completely innocent banks.

But now Obama says he's going to "fight" Wall Street, which is as plausible as claiming he'll "fight" the trial lawyers.

As Schweizer demonstrates, whenever the Democrats "regulate" Wall Street, the innocent pay through the nose, while Wall Street swine lower than drug dealers and pornographers end up with multimillion-dollar bonuses so they can run for governor of New Jersey and fund lavish Democratic fundraisers in the Hamptons.

Republicans should respond the way they always have: Support the free market, not looters and welfare recipients on Wall Street, especially the Democrats' friends at Goldman.
 

upnorth2505

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CAN'T WE AT LEAST GET A TOASTER?
by Ann Coulter
January 27, 2010
Come on now! Consider the source. Ann Coulter? Even most conservatives like to distance themselves from her. . . And for good reason. She has been caught time-and-time-again to be a liar that plays fast and loose with the facts.

This is a women who highly admired Joesph McCarthy. Now how is that for liberty and freedom?

Just another example of the extreme right making up complete and total lies to cover up what was mostly crap caused by the re-puke-icants.

Peace. And have a nice day. :-P:leaf::-P
 

ViRedd

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Come on now! Consider the source. Ann Coulter? Even most conservatives like to distance themselves from her. . . And for good reason. She has been caught time-and-time-again to be a lier that plays fast and loose with the facts.

This is a women who highly admired Joesph McCarthy. Now how is that for liberty and freedom?

Just another example of the extreme right making up complete and total lies to cover up what was mostly crap caused by the re-puke-icants.

Peace. And have a nice day. :-P:leaf::-P
Very good response, and so typical of the responses given to Coulter's articles by lefties. There is no substance at all to your response, just attack the messenger. In other words, in typical Alinski fashion, ridicule, demean, and ignore your opponents.

Now then, would you like to take issue with anything in the article? How about disproving any of her allegations for starters?

Have a great day. :lol:
 

tical916

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I like how the author is under attack rather than the policies, which did happen, she commented on... :clap:
Ya man, you lose any credibility when you post anything be Ann Countler. I`m sorry to have to point this out to you, but sure is either A) a horrible person or B) believing the things she does because she`ll have a following.

You want to mark people as left and right. There are not that many people who are diehards to either party anymore. Take a 3rd person look at her and the things she says.
 

Wavels

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Thanks Vi, good piece.

I love the way the respondents to your article ignore the substance and simply beat up on Coulter.
Total lack of engagement on the issues.
The facts Ann depicts are indeed accurate.
But of course it is far easier to simply dismiss them because the author is Coulter.
So typical!
 

jeff f

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Come on now! Consider the source. Ann Coulter? Even most conservatives like to distance themselves from her. . . And for good reason. She has been caught time-and-time-again to be a liar that plays fast and loose with the facts.
Peace. And have a nice day. :-P:leaf::-P

i dont know ann coulter. can you provide some evidence of how she, "plays fast and loose"?

anxiosly awaiting your response....
 

ViRedd

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ViRedd. Question. Can you feel it when the chip is implanted?
The only thing in evidence here that's been implanted is years of Progressive propaganda into your grey matter.

Now again, instead of attacking the messenger (Coulter) let's see you take issue with the points she made in the article that opened the thread. Come-on big guy, let's see what-cha got. :lol:
 

jeff f

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The only thing in evidence here that's been implanted is years of Progressive propaganda into your grey matter.

Now again, instead of attacking the messenger (Coulter) let's see you take issue with the points she made in the article that opened the thread. Come-on big guy, let's see what-cha got. :lol:
your forgeting that this would require opening ones mind. this is a tough challenge for him. :lol:
 

hanimmal

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Very good response, and so typical of the responses given to Coulter's articles by lefties. There is no substance at all to your response, just attack the messenger. In other words, in typical Alinski fashion, ridicule, demean, and ignore your opponents.

Now then, would you like to take issue with anything in the article? How about disproving any of her allegations for starters?

Have a great day. :lol:
It is because people that are bat shit crazy, and say off the wall lunacy tend to be dismissed.
Similar to every time I drive past these cooks:


I don't take time to listen to their rantings and wonder of the validity of them.

Most do the same for the nutball you have devoted a few new threads to.

That is why when people go:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ViRedd
CAN'T WE AT LEAST GET A TOASTER?
by Ann Coulter
January 27, 2010
Come on now! Consider the source. Ann Coulter? Even most conservatives like to distance themselves from her. . . And for good reason. She has been caught time-and-time-again to be a liar that plays fast and loose with the facts.

This is a women who highly admired Joesph McCarthy. Now how is that for liberty and freedom?

Just another example of the extreme right making up complete and total lies to cover up what was mostly crap caused by the re-puke-icants.

Peace. And have a nice day. :razz::leaf::razz:
And move on.

Just like with the other crazy with the sign. She deserves the same respect.
 

ViRedd

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So, she's a "Crazy" and a Kook? OK, let's assume that she is. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Now then, how about taking issue with what she had to say in the article?
 

jeffchr

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So, she's a "Crazy" and a Kook? OK, let's assume that she is. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Now then, how about taking issue with what she had to say in the article?
why?...............................................
 

hanimmal

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So, she's a "Crazy" and a Kook? OK, let's assume that she is. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Now then, how about taking issue with what she had to say in the article?
See that is the point, I never read the article, just like I didn't stop to listen to the dude with the sign about the end of the world. She may have cleaned up her craziness, but the damage was done, how do we know where the info is coming from? How do we know it isn't more craziness, she already burnt that bridge, no sense in taking time to walk over it again.

Similar to Al Gore, if I posted a video he makes on green house emissions, would you take the time to try to take it seriously? Or would you know that in the past he has been shown to be a propagandist and walk away once you see his name attached to it?

I would walk away too.

But I will read it for you Vi, I am in procrastination mode atm, so it may kill a few minutes, and make me feel retarded to the point that I will be forced to go back to studying after I delve into the madness that is Ann Coultur.
 

hanimmal

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Yup exactly what I thought it would be, typical republican cheerleading, demonizing the dems as the ones that cause every ill, and all the deregulation and corruption is on the left, and the right is pristine. Somehow the last 20 years being dems in power, when they were in power only 9 of those years, and for 20 of the last 30 years they have had the wheel. Which aside from Clinton, have been potmarked with recessions and deteriation of infrastructure and education.

That Clinton somehow being in bed with banks bailed out mexico, (who is a third world country, and not a large trading partner of ours, who actually share a border with us, meaning any instability of a collapsed government would put even more pressure on us in the form of illegal immigrants right?).

A little pro Reaganism tossed in for good measure ignoring his two huge recessions which had above 18% unemployment, his massive bailouts of banks, all the banks that were saved under the forgotten president (bush sr.), and same under Bush Jr.

And somehow forgetting that banks give a ton of money to every politician and not just the Dems.

So yeah very very slanted typical Coultur.
 

undertheice

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this entire thread seems to be an exercise in the blind stupidity of partisanship. is coulter a mouthpiece for the republican party with a rabid anti-liberal streak? of course she is. does that mean that every word out of her mouth is meaningless drivel? of course not. despite its decidedly conservative spin, is the article a factual representation of past events? it most certainly is. instead of a rational discussion of the true meaning behind those events we find a pack of barking dogs, ignoring facts in favor of an emotional response. the only mildly reasonable come-back in three days has been little more than "gee, everybody else is doing it".
 
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