O.C. GG#4 In the SunCloak 4416

I would like to challenge all the DIY'ers to resist posting anything about my cob is bigger than yours, this driver or that, and let us see what the production panels and systems out there are capable of for those that just want to order something rather than play MacGyver

Seems like the girls are getting light everywhere. It's 100 watts per plant this first run & they are very full. I feel like it is working, meaning they are Photosynthesizing well. I can tell by the heavy growth, thick stems, & they drink faster. So, yes, I feel each plant is getting enough light & am pleased.

Looks good,cant wait to see what kind of buds you pull off with that thing.

Hybridway said:

Seems like the girls are getting light everywhere. It's 100 watts per plant this first run & they are very full. I feel like it is working, meaning they are Photosynthesizing well. I can tell by the heavy growth, thick stems, & they drink faster. So, yes, I feel each plant is getting enough light & am pleased. View attachment 3621197

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That thing is pretty cool, does it have lights above it?

It has a single rail of Horizontal diodes above each blade.

Yodaweed said:

That thing is pretty cool, does it have lights above it?

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ladies look healthy, best of luck.

love the idea of this system, it's making the most of technology (140 lumens+ per watt LED) while best utilizing the way the plant evolved to take in sunlight. have you considered turning on the lights on the wall side? it says on their site the light was designed to turn that side off, but since you have a reflective barrier so close (panda covered wall) it shouldn't matter much.

My current 600 watt quota in my HPS room is a pound depending on the strain. I hope to do better with this.

indianajones said:

ladies look healthy, best of luck.

love the idea of this system, it's making the most of technology (140 lumens+ per watt LED) while best utilizing the way the plant evolved to take in sunlight. have you considered turning on the lights on the wall side? it says on their site the light was designed to turn that side off, but since you have a reflective barrier so close (panda covered wall) it shouldn't matter much.

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Did think about turning on the outside blades. Maybe once I finish building a surround, it does make s difference. My data say 160 lum/watt. 96,000 Lumens & 600 watts & 2070 umols. So, as much lumens as a 1000 bulb & a lil more PAR then a Double-Ended. It's bright.
I feel I made a big mistake the other day & loli-popped what wasn't getting full light but what I should've done was lower the light to engulf the plant, still plenty of room up top. I should've lowered the light to utilize the entirety of each blade. It's my first time using it so I'm learning exactly how to optimize the system still. The plants are loving it & I'm getting thick growth in all areas.

lollipopping might not be too bad (it is far from optimal in a vertical grow) if they stretch/bush like every other OG. move the lights up a little bit above where you stripped the foliage off and they should grow right up into the lit area again. you just started flowering so don't worry- they are going to stretch their legs and fill that space above.


the spec data from the manufacturer's website says 145 lumens per watt, where did you get 160?

indianajones said:

lollipopping might not be too bad (it is far from optimal in a vertical grow) if they stretch/bush like every other OG. move the lights up a little bit above where you stripped the foliage off and they should grow right up into the lit area again. you just started flowering so don't worry- they are going to stretch their legs and fill that space above.


the spec data from the manufacturer's website says 145 lumens per watt, where did you get 160?

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No one ever told me not to post or share this info. The owner, Doug was very open with me & supplied me with all my answers to my questions. I have more Data somewhere. I'll find it when those questions arise & I'm happy too. Searching for the right LED is not always easy as many companies will not disclose such info. On their site or to you personally. And there's usually a reason like they're hiding something. Not this guy. I'm sure the discrepancy is a mistake or an average amongst all the systems. I'll ask.

lol, i see where the discrepancy was, and after a moment's thought i understand the why. both the 4416 and the 4424 run the same wattage (200), but the 4416 uses more LEDs, 1280 per blade compared to 960 on the 4424. that means each one is driven with less power on the 4416 and runs more efficiently in terms of lumens per watt. the 4424 model only gets 145 lumens per watt, i pulled a screen cap of the data from the sheet and attached it.

indianajones said:

lol, i see where the discrepancy was, and after a moment's thought i understand the why. both the 4416 and the 4424 run the same wattage (200), but the 4416 uses more LEDs, 1280 per blade compared to 960 on the 4424. that means each one is driven with less power on the 4416 and runs more efficiently in terms of lumens per watt. the 4424 model only gets 145 lumens per watt, i pulled a screen cap of the data from the sheet and attached it.

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Good job figuring it out. Saves me the trouble. Yeah, pretty transparent.

My AC broke after hours of fabrication & installation. So, the plants had a lil less Co2 & light while I work. Still building. Other reasons this is not entirely optimal conditions but I'm getting there.

indianajones said:

lol, i see where the discrepancy was, and after a moment's thought i understand the why. both the 4416 and the 4424 run the same wattage (200), but the 4416 uses more LEDs, 1280 per blade compared to 960 on the 4424. that means each one is driven with less power on the 4416 and runs more efficiently in terms of lumens per watt. the 4424 model only gets 145 lumens per watt, i pulled a screen cap of the data from the sheet and attached it.

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Impressive...and correct

The system is filling up. I messed up n did a lil loli-popping instead of dropping the light lower. But it's still filling in well. Mad growth & soon to be bud sites everywhere. It's important to keep an oscillating fan on it & keep those leaves dancing.

I think vertical is pretty cool and this is an interesting twist on it,cant wait to see em finish in there

Finally put some white wrap on the other side. Now there's a reflection on 3 sides. That's a lotta bush in a 4'x4'. Everything's looking good. I noticed the stretch is happening from all sides rather then just straight up. These being such big plants they have blown out in all directions and became a bit thick. I'm wondering if it's to much plant? Not the recommended way of using this system but I figured push it right away n see what happens plus those are all I had ready.

that looks great!
when your ac wasnt working,how high did the temps go?when the ac is working how often is it cycling?have you used a kilawatt meter to compare your hps rooms to this ?
i have been growing vertical for a while now.cleaning sucker branches off helps alot.your light spread is as close to perfection as possible.blows away my 2 600 hps stacked 4 foot by 4 foot by 6 foot vertical cabinets.i just built my own cob lights but dont have the room in my cabinets to try using them vertically.hope this works out great for you!
i have 4 over vegged gg4 in one of my cabinets with 400 watts of cxb3590 over them on a horizontal screen.i flipped mine on feb 5th.

Man those are really filling out. Looks good.


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zep_lover said:

that looks great!
when your ac wasnt working,how high did the temps go?when the ac is working how often is it cycling?have you used a kilawatt meter to compare your hps rooms to this ?
i have been growing vertical for a while now.cleaning sucker branches off helps alot.your light spread is as close to perfection as possible.blows away my 2 600 hps stacked 4 foot by 4 foot by 6 foot vertical cabinets.i just built my own cob lights but dont have the room in my cabinets to try using them vertically.hope this works out great for you!
i have 4 over vegged gg4 in one of my cabinets with 400 watts of cxb3590 over them on a horizontal screen.i flipped mine on feb 5th.

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Didn't have a chance to record temps. But it's winter here & I keep the house heet low so I ran a few tests & after installing wrap on the outside of the doorway & was able to leave the door open with a crack opening in the edge of the wrap & temps haven't gotten past 78-80 with 1600 watts of LED in the 10'x10' room. There's 2 other new lights in there as well. This system puts out less heet than either of the 500 watters.
It ain't easy flowering oversized GG. This SC is taking allot of the hassles off my back. How's your scrog coming out? I did the the same with the other 6 OCGG's. 3 under each 4'x4' with 500 w overhead.

Some pics.