NY Times Explains Why Obama Sucks

Fungus Gnat

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My dads cousin owns a bunch of restaurants down south. I was talking to him the other day and he says hes going to drastically cut down his work force, and start hiring a bunch more part times if the supreme court doesn't knock it down. He will be nowhere close to profitable if he keeps running things like he currently is under the bill.
What has it done to increase costs? It won't even be implemented until 2014 and cost increases he's had have come from people dropping off insurance coverage because of a down economy, which increases rates for the ones that don't. The bill is designed to encourage a move away from employer health insurance to individual health insurance sold on exchanges. The costs won't be lowered until the mandate is in effect.
 

Johnny Retro

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What has it done to increase costs? It won't even be implemented until 2014 and cost increases he's had have come from people dropping off insurance coverage because of a down economy, which increases rates for the ones that don't. The bill is designed to encourage a move away from employer health insurance to individual health insurance sold on exchanges. The costs won't be lowered until the mandate is in effect.
If you have 50+ employees you will be forced to offer a generous plan to all full time workers. If you don't you will be charged $2,000 per employee, minus the first 30 because they are exempt from the penalty. So, if you have 50 full times and can't afford to offer a nice cozy health care plan and decide to pay the penalty, you will effectivly be paying $40,000 per year in fines. (2,000X(50-30) Yay Obamacare!!
 

Fungus Gnat

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If you have 50+ employees you will be forced to offer a generous plan to all full time workers. If you don't you will be charged $2,000 per employee, minus the first 30 because they are exempt from the penalty. So, if you have 50 full times and can't afford to offer a nice cozy health care plan and decide to pay the penalty, you will effectivly be paying $40,000 per year in fines. (2,000X(50-30) Yay Obamacare!!
He has more than fifty full time employees and doesn't give them benefits now? How much does he make per year?
 

Illegal Smile

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He has more than fifty full time employees and doesn't give them benefits now? How much does he make per year?
Exactly! You are the voice of big government, "Tell me how much you make and I'll tell you how much you will pay your employees."

Fundamentally, "that's" what's wrong with it.
 

Illegal Smile

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Libruls think it is government's job to make things the way they should be. Conservatives also want to make things the way they should be, but they believe it will happen faster when government stays out of the way.

ps "the way things should be" is a separate topic.
 

Parker

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i actually read the article for once, since the criticism was coming from identified liberal maureen dowd.

her tone seems to encapsulate what most of us liberals feel about obama. he seems weak, ineffective, unwilling to stand up and fight back against mounting criticisms against him.

let me just remind everyone that this is a game that obama often plays.

remember the 2008 primary campaign? remember last spring when he was getting hammered by trump?

the guy always keeps some kind of trump card in his back pocket, and waits for what seems like political eternity to play it. and when he does play it, it is akin to slow rolling your opponent's full house with four of a kind.

time will tell if he is doing this to us again, or if obama is truly out of surprises.
You would say this since you are dumb.
The article is entirely poser material. The author finds some characteristics and tries to fit her agenda to those characteristics. Who cares if he fights back against his distractors? How does that change policy?

It's always about policy.
 

Mr Neutron

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it is akin to slow rolling your opponent's full house with four of a kind.
I know this does not mean anything to you but slow rolling is considered bad etiquette. Of course, when all that you post is offensive, course and blatantly obtuse, slow rolling isn't that bad.
 

UncleBuck

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I know this does not mean anything to you but slow rolling is considered bad etiquette.
in poker, yes.

in politics, it's called winning.

kinda like how he released his birth certificate and then announced bin laden was dead right when he was taking an ass pounding from mindless partisan hacks like illegal smile.
 

kelly4

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in poker, yes.

in politics, it's called winning.

kinda like how he released his birth certificate and then announced bin laden was dead right when he was taking an ass pounding from mindless partisan hacks like illegal smile.
Actually, I killed Bin Laden two weeks before he claimed he did......... I'd show you proof, but I don't have any either.
 

Illegal Smile

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If I recall, Obama got a 3 point jump in polls after bin Laden was killed, and it lasted 3 days then went right back to where it had been. That fact that team Obama is banking on that event (to which Obama's only contribution was staying out of the way), shows how desperate they really are.
 

dirtysnowball

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i wish there was an alternative plan to Obama care. i know some people who cant get insurance or see a doctor because they have pre-existing conditions. i have insurance but i haven't seen any doctors since i was a kid, the only exception was a car crash. if my friend was to get into a car crash he would be treated in the ER, but i doubt he would get help from doctors outside of the ER unless he was paying cash. are their any different and shorter plans, obamas is like the bible x3
 

budleydoright

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Obama is a charming son of a bitch who's got more dragging than Rawmoney has hanging. From where I'm sitting he's going to breeze right into another 4. While he may embarrass some Americans. The fucking world was embarrased for us when that shit bag dick and bush were running things.

Either way, I'm enjoying the election season. Watching all the true conservatives and Christians pitch a guy that they know has sold them some eh, magic underwear?
 

Illegal Smile

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When you remember that in 08 Obama was filling stadiums and now he can't fill a high school auditorium, you see just how far he has fallen. Obama was hot, and now he's not. Welcome back Carter!
 

Mr Neutron

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in poker, yes.

in politics, it's called winning.

kinda like how he released his birth certificate and then announced bin laden was dead right when he was taking an ass pounding from mindless partisan hacks like illegal smile.
So, the ends justifies the means?
That is more "wag the dog" than slow rolling, anyway. Create a diversion to distract attention away from the real issues.
 

Parker

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in poker, yes.

in politics, it's called winning.

kinda like how he released his birth certificate and then announced bin laden was dead right when he was taking an ass pounding from mindless partisan hacks like illegal smile.
The military hates politicians because they run their mouth without thinking. Just like you do. The military didn't want any publicity out right away because they wanted to take advantage of the intel gathered as well as use the knowledge of knowing Bin Laden was dead while his allies may not know it.
Good getting him, bad telling the public too soon.
 

Hemlock

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Obama said during the 08 election that what Bush was doing as far as the defect, was unpatriotic, so far in his term he has out spent all the bushes COMBINED. added some 7 plus TRILLON to our defect.
 
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