Nute off!! Advanced nutrrient's vs cutting edge vs fox farm.

Cant wait to see the results. Im using AN but Ive been having some nute problems. I think its lack of magnesium since I use Ro water. By the way bossman, did you speak to AN;s tech support? I did and I found some of the things he said doubtful. For example he said that the ppm levels in their calculator was total per week. That is, if the week your on, the calculator says 1200ppm and you have a large reservoir that does not change with each feeding then prepare the reservoir at about 250ppm so that at the end of the week you add up all the feedings to get about 1200. That doesnt make sense to me what do u think?

I have never heard that. I have watched all 50 of there video's and get all there e-mail's. Have read everything I can find and never have heard that. I am sure some other peep's are gunna also have some thing to sa about that. I have had now nute burn issues untill flower started. I have been having some leaf curl. but it has been pretty much all 3 MK's I am learning they are real light feeder's.

Pic update.

Pic 1,2 group shot's MK left to righ FF-CES-AN

Pic 3 MK in FF nutes.
Pic 4 MK in CES nutes.
Pic 5 MK in AN nutes.

Pic's 6,7 Group shot's of Erkles in FF soil. Left to right. CES-AN.
Pic 8 Erkle in FF soil with CES nutes.
Pic 9 Erkle in FF soil with AN nutes.

Pic's 10,11 Group shot's of the Erkle's. Left to right FF-CES-AN.

Light's went out before I could get solo's of these girl's.

I will take those missing solo's and some close up's tommorow.
If I can I have an inspectoin here tommorow. So I am runnin circles.

Don Cirilo said:

Cant wait to see the results. Im using AN but Ive been having some nute problems. I think its lack of magnesium since I use Ro water. By the way bossman, did you speak to AN;s tech support? I did and I found some of the things he said doubtful. For example he said that the ppm levels in their calculator was total per week. That is, if the week your on, the calculator says 1200ppm and you have a large reservoir that does not change with each feeding then prepare the reservoir at about 250ppm so that at the end of the week you add up all the feedings to get about 1200. That doesnt make sense to me what do u think?

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I had the same mg diff looking problem on mine in late flower using ro water and ces nutes and kool bloom additive dont know if what i did was right but i flushed for 5 hrs with a clearing solution then 13 1/2 hrs with only ro and then back on nutes at half strength

Looking good boss saw a little browning on one of your girls pic 7 left plant. Wondering if that was heat stress or something else?

Here is a copy of the original email i received from AN:
Thank you for your inquiry

When using a re circulating system, you will be dealing with one of two situations, either the reservoir is large enough to feed the plants for a week without the need to be topped up during the week or it is a small reservoir and in order to feed the plants through the week it will require to be topped up.

In case of reservoir that does not need to be topped up.

Add to the reservoir the amount of water that the plants are going to be using for the week, include some extra water to allow for evaporation.

Mix the nutrient solution at 1/6th of the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.

Example: If the plants need 1200 ppm for the week, divide 1200 by 6 and mix the reservoir at 200 – 250 ppm.

Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH

Feed the plants.

Allow the plants to feed on the solution and the pH to rise for 1 1/2 – 2 days before re adjusting the pH.


So this is wrong right?

that makes no scene to me. Do they want you to add 1/6 of the total ppm each day for the week? i dont get it.

they are some real characters over there... ask the same exact question again and i bet you anything you will get a different answer next time.

i would go with another company

OK so its BS! Good thing I didnt listen to him. Sorry for changing the subject of the thread but I did post it in another thread with no reply. We can now focus on bossman and his test. Thanks again for your opinions

All ?'s and answer's are welcome.
The whole purpose of this thread is to help each other learn.
So ask away bro. There are some good and smart peep's in here.


Yeah they are all getting some yellowing and browning.
I am considering adding cal/mag. But I really want to try and stick to there exact feeding schedule's. So I am considering adding dolomite lime.
In my normal grow I take off the top inch or 2 of the soil and add 1 tbl spoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil. then recover with dirt and water.
And since I beleive that it adds mag and balances the PH it should be a good thing.
Any opinion's or Ideas are alway's welcome. I have only been growing a 6 year's and still have lot's to learn.

Thank you to all the cool peep's.
For the post's and veiw's.

Here are some close up's of the Erkle in the sunshine #4.
All the 6 plant's in this mix has the same issue's. But not the 2 in FF soil.
So I do beleive it is a combo of cal\mag def. And PH issues. So I will use dolomite lime in weak 3 flower. Unless given some better ideas. I do not want to mess with the feeding schedule.

Pic 1,2 Erkle in FF nutes.

Pic 3,4 Erkle in CES nutes.

Pic 5,6 Erkle in AN nutes.

Also I was out of Co2 for 2 day's. I could not get to my place for a refill.
And in a closed room that is not good. So I just picked up a 50lb tank.
It only cost's 10$ more to fill then the 20lb tank.

this might just be a dumb question but i have to ask it why cant the places make a 1 part mix. like i have a indica mix sativa mix or a hybrid mix why do i have to ph the water buy 8 products mix then ph again then add that to the plant why cant thay make a product in one bottle. like i take 4 tsp add to water add to plant plant has all the NUTRIENTS SUPPLEMENTS BENEFICIAL FUNG BENEFICIAL MICROBES?

I personally use all foxfarm productucts and I like the cha ching, open seame, and beastie blooms. They actually fatten and help promote good flowers. Not to mention I only run 4 plants at a time and I use 400 watt hps and mh lights.QUOTE=bossman88188;3161844]What peep's


I am preparing to do a nute test. And would like some input,ideas or feedback.
So far this is the plan. I am going to use theses nutes.

1. Advanced nutrient's connossear 2.35+
2. Cutting edge solution's The full line up.
3. Foxfarm's 3 liquid's and 3 soluble's.

I already have most the nute's and the AN is on it's way.
I plan on running 2 plant's per nute co. 1 Erkle and 1 Master kush.
I am a bit undicided on what to use for a medium.
My normal growing style is to veg with 50\50 ocean forest with light warrior. Veg for six weak's with no added nute's untill flower.
Then I start my feeding schedule.
I do not think that is a ideal method to truly get good test result's from.
What do you Think? I do not want to go hydro. Maybe a slight hydro but still want to hand water.
The optoin I am liking best is using sunshine mix #4 and feeding all the way through.
Do you think straight sunshine mix or a mixture with perlite and vermiculite. Any tip's for using it also appreciated.
The other posible option is coco.
How do you prepare coco? I have seen some mentoin's of special prep method's for it. Any opinion's?

I am planning to have the test started within 2 weak's.
I will post a link to it in here.
Any and all cooments,tip's, trick's or ideas welcomed.

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clouds said:

this might just be a dumb question but i have to ask it why cant the places make a 1 part mix. like i have a indica mix sativa mix or a hybrid mix why do i have to ph the water buy 8 products mix then ph again then add that to the plant why cant thay make a product in one bottle. like i take 4 tsp add to water add to plant plant has all the NUTRIENTS SUPPLEMENTS BENEFICIAL FUNG BENEFICIAL MICROBES?

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usually they break them down because mixing certain things will cause ill effects... the plant may need high amounts of calcium, but high amounts of calcium will cause damage to the other nutes if it isnt diluted and seperated properly. (most of 2-part A/B nutes are seperated because of the calcium.)

as for the PH... everyones water source is different and starts out with a different PH, depending on how stable the water source is, the PH may move a lot or very little, so there will always be a problem in that regard.

some companies design their nutes for RO water and everyone should end up with a similar PH with those nutes as long as they have the same water source (RO)

AN says their new product "PH Perfect" needs know PH adjustment and automaticly ranges back and forth from 5.6 to 6.0 and back to 5.6 and up to 6.0
I highly highly doubt this new product will work correctly.

another reason they break down the products so much is to rip off the customer

We are always in search of the 'perfect' blend and every company worth its salt knows this and caters to our obsession with a zillion products, ninety percent of which all do the same thing. This past summer a buddy of mine had him a few plants in his back yard, all bagseed. He had them in pots in old topsoil he had laying around. One of the pots didn't even have any drainage. They were all to small for his plants but this was strictly a hit or miss try on his part. He gave them no nutes, water straight out of the faucet, no ph'ing and in the end got paranoid about them chopped them early and they were great. Considerably better than my first two indoor grows and they still needed three weeks or so. I'm on my third grow and decided to try to keep it as simple as possible and not obsess about the grow with a million what if's. I have gone the 'less' route this grow meaning I wanted to see how they would perform with weaker strengths and fewer feedings. I'm duly impressed with my results to this point. It's my first grow using hid lighting and I was hoping for two ounces a lady when I started this grow. Now I'm thinking three possibly more. I still have at least three weeks left and maybe four. In the past two weeks plus I've given them two full strength feedings. I'll give them one or two more and then finish with molasses for the last two weeks.

you can grow impressive looking plants with just about anything or by just throwing them in the ground... but the big difference will show in the last three weeks of flower and in the weight/quality of the finished product.

bossman88188 said:

Here are some close up's of the Erkle in the sunshine #4.
All the 6 plant's in this mix has the same issue's. But not the 2 in FF soil.
So I do beleive it is a combo of cal\mag def. And PH issues. So I will use dolomite lime in weak 3 flower. Unless given some better ideas. I do not want to mess with the feeding schedule.

Pic 1,2 Erkle in FF nutes.

Pic 3,4 Erkle in CES nutes.

Pic 5,6 Erkle in AN nutes.

Also I was out of Co2 for 2 day's. I could not get to my place for a refill.
And in a closed room that is not good. So I just picked up a 50lb tank.
It only cost's 10$ more to fill then the 20lb tank.

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I think you would be best off using Cal/Mag since Dolomitic lime is slow to work. You could use Hydrated Lime since its very quick to work, but you can do alot of damage if you use too much, so Id personally avoid it.

i had a few issues and added some cal-mag and it resolved the problems within 3 days!

general hydro

sorry had to do it

Anxiously waiting for more updates :